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i used to have one used to use it for putting bitove presure on trees to make sure landed in right place got maverick stuck it disintregrated trying to get truck unstuck!
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i tried a cheap winch once and the ratchet went and hurt my hand winching a caravan out of and awkward spot, so if buying buy the biggest load rating possible, I think it was Hummingbird who suggested carry a ratchet sttrap too, to make re positioning for the nesxt 'pull' easier as they only have about 18 inches of movement i beleive?
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Thanks for that guy's :smile: I think i'll better keep looking :roll:
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for self recovery its 9t minimum and 12t optimum thats a fair ol winch!
Sweety said:
Forget one of these, they are always listed as a "turfer", and while they are OK for some lifting & pulling jobs, they have a really, really limited pull - only a couple of feet, meaning constant resetting of the winch etc. Would take hours to self recover with one of these. The wire is really quite slender, I'm not sure if when they describe 4 tone they are referring to breaking strain?
Best to buy a genuine "Tirfor" hand winch. Heavier, costlier, but much more suited to off road self recovery. The limit described on Tirfor's is a lifting rating, IIRC, that can be much, much higher for a rolling load.
Often see these 2nd hand on ebay, if you can get one locally then it saves (very) costly delivery.
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jace said:
9000lb or 12000lb surely, about 4 and 5.5 tonne.
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Sweety said:
NOOOO Save your money and put it towards some waffle boards or a hi lift jack.
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For what you'd spend on a "decent" Tirfor http://www.liftingsafety.co.uk/manual_cable_pullers.html
The "turfer" (think they got the spelling wrong) on the previous post just doesn't seem strong enough - might be fine for moving a lightweight wobbly box, but not for recovering a 4x4 from the claggy stuff.
You'd be better off putting towards a winch or as Andy says - invest in waffles and a Hi-Lift (plus adaptor)
The "turfer" (think they got the spelling wrong) on the previous post just doesn't seem strong enough - might be fine for moving a lightweight wobbly box, but not for recovering a 4x4 from the claggy stuff.
You'd be better off putting towards a winch or as Andy says - invest in waffles and a Hi-Lift (plus adaptor)
Steve_Ray said:
Oh, I don't think they did get the spelling wrong!!! I think it's just an attempt on the part of the seller to con folks who know no better into believing that it's a tirfor. For that reason alone, if for no other, they are best avoided. A tirfor (and a decent ground anchor) is a good idea if you go out laning on your own a lot - so you can self recover if you do get stuck. If you only go out laning with others, a decent recovery rope, shackles and a hilift (if it will work with your motor) make a lot more sense to me.
Personally, I still haven't given up on the notion of a bag jack - but the decent ones are fairly expensive (once you've added delivery costs from half-way around the planet).
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Steve_Ray said:
Maybe you have. My Patrol is stock and is staying that way for the forseeable future. It's got about 13ins under the cills. The Bushranger X-jack will lift about 30ins (so it says in the advert, anyway) - so it could well be the solution for me. It also has a connector for a compressor. See: http://www.bushranger.com.au/xjack.php
The downside is that they are not cheap and have to be shipped from the far side of the planet.
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andrewk said:
I'll bring mine on 30th, lifts to 24" so it says in the advert and only just lifts my Mav for a wheel change, it also has a compressor fitment as well as exhaust one. Ok on tarmac but not really for off road use.
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Just found this - not too impressive. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413
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andrewk said:
They aint that good, I carry mine in the Mav when towing caravan, ideal for a tyre change by the roadside and faster than the scissor type thing supplied by Ford, plus it lifts the van with no effort.
Never tried it off road as i have a hi lift, wouldn't want to rely on it unless to push body away from tree or similar. Certainly not got the hieght.
cameraman said:
From the photo in that forum post, the X-jack seems to only just manage to lift the Cherokee. That has 235/75 R15 tyres, which are just under 29ins. The Patrol has 275/65 R17 which are just on 31ins. The Patrol may well have more axle articulation too. So, maybe not ...
I think I'd like to see how you could lift a Patrol with that before buying one. :smile:
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The Mav stands on 235/70/16 as standard and has about 11" - 12" under sills near jacking points(only about 8" ground clearance which is not the same thing) It lifts the Mav enough to change a wheel - just.
The van is much higher, but the bag fits better and lifts easier to allow a wheel change - just.
The bag lifts to 24" or so the advert says, but when axle articulation is taken into account you really need a bag that can lift 48" or more 8O An English company does them that shows lifting military trucks to about 72" but expect to pay really silly money
The van is much higher, but the bag fits better and lifts easier to allow a wheel change - just.
The bag lifts to 24" or so the advert says, but when axle articulation is taken into account you really need a bag that can lift 48" or more 8O An English company does them that shows lifting military trucks to about 72" but expect to pay really silly money
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So it isn't a Bushranger X-jack? According to their advert, the X-jack lifts 75cm (about 30ins). See: http://www.bushranger.com.au/xjack.php
The only English company I know about who make bag jacks for vehicle recovery is Easylift - though I've seen companies who make megabucks air bags for marine salvage and flotation too. Easylift have both military spec and commercial spec exhaust jacks. Their biggest military spec jack is the ELM05, which is rated to lift 5 tonnes (equiv to lifting a vehicle weighing 10 tonnes) - but it's maximum height is only 30 ins, which is the same as the Bushranger X-jack. It's also about £800 inc VAT !!
This is a video of some chap recovering a D3 with one. Mind you, he has an easier job than recovering a Patrol would be. The D3 clearly has very little wheel articulation :lol: http://www.air-jack.co.uk/disco3_demovid.html There are photos showing a military truck being recovered here ... http://www.air-jack.co.uk/milgallery.asp
I've seen others on Ebay and elsewhere .....
http://rv4x4.en.alibaba.com/product/50408103/50530745/Jack_Parts/Exhaust_Jack.html
I don't know who makes this one, but it seems to do OK with a Navarra. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....=30862&ssPageName=STORE:PROMOBOX:NEWLIST#LIST
Which company have you seen with a bag jack with a 72ins lift?
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andrewk said:
Sure it was the air lift people, I put a link up at the time but maybe its arcived now as I can't find it. It showed a Military truck being lifted, think it was a stalwart all one side up.
Looked back as far as Jan 06, but all I could find was this:
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.co.u...file=viewtopic&t=3181&highlight=air+bag+jacks
cameraman said:
Wow ..... do they ever need recovering? If I ever take it into my head to buy an exhaust jack, it'll probably be the ARB/Bushranger X-Jack. At least I know it's made for the purpose rather than being a copy of an existing product, has a connector for a compressor and won't be made by 900 year old Chinese women paid only ninepence a month.
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http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/search/filter/bow+shackles/page/1
What do you think of these shackles :? I was thinking of getting the 20mm ones with the blue pin :roll: I'm asking as i'm off there tomorrow any way so will find out what they are rated at but thought I'd ask your opinion first :smile:
What do you think of these shackles :? I was thinking of getting the 20mm ones with the blue pin :roll: I'm asking as i'm off there tomorrow any way so will find out what they are rated at but thought I'd ask your opinion first :smile:
