Usefull and essential off road kit to carry

[JonathanM]

I've just had a look at the recovery point on the back of the Patrol, which is similar to the Landie one. Although I haven't measured the bolt spacings accurately, they don't look a mile off being the same spacing as the holes in a standard 4 hole towbar flange.
Cheers
Andrew

Thats what I was thinking Andrew :smile: if the spacing is the same then I would be laughing as my tow bar has the 4 holes you mention andrew
:smile:
Cheers CM for the info :smile:

You would likely need longer bolts of the correct rating, and IIRC then the unthreaded part of the bolt would need to be the part with the extra length.

 

[andrewk]

You would likely need longer bolts of the correct rating, and IIRC then the unthreaded part of the bolt would need to be the part with the extra length.

The worry I have is that the holes in the towbar flange are for M16 bolts. The bolts for the recovery point are probably M12s - so there's going to be some fresh air around the nuts and washers that would normally bear on metal if the holes were drilled for M12s. I don't think there's enough metal around the holes in the recovery point to drill out for M16s.

Maybe it's not such a good idea after all.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[JonathanM]

You would likely need longer bolts of the correct rating, and IIRC then the unthreaded part of the bolt would need to be the part with the extra length.

The worry I have is that the holes in the towbar flange are for M16 bolts. The bolts for the recovery point are probably M12s - so there's going to be some fresh air around the nuts and washers that would normally bear on metal if the holes were drilled for M12s. I don't think there's enough metal around the holes in the recovery point to drill out for M16s.

Maybe it's not such a good idea after all.

Cheers
Andrew

I wonder if the standard front hook could fit - not sure which bolts & what dimensions bewteen bolt centres are used?

 

[Terranosaurus]

You would likely need longer bolts of the correct rating, and IIRC then the unthreaded part of the bolt would need to be the part with the extra length.

The worry I have is that the holes in the towbar flange are for M16 bolts. The bolts for the recovery point are probably M12s - so there's going to be some fresh air around the nuts and washers that would normally bear on metal if the holes were drilled for M12s. I don't think there's enough metal around the holes in the recovery point to drill out for M16s.

Maybe it's not such a good idea after all.

Cheers
Andrew

I wonder if the standard front hook could fit - not sure which bolts & what dimensions bewteen bolt centres are used?

Even if it did it would be being pulled in the wrong plain so the hook would be in danger of bending straight.

Probably only attaced with M12s though from memory, but they are in shear, the M16s on tow bars are in tension and so need to be much thicker for the same strength.

 

[Deleted Member S]

Ok everyone i've got another queastion I have got some rated bow shackles 4&3/4T ones now :smile: but when I had a look to see if the pin would fit through the slot in the rear recovery points the pin looks as if it's about 1-2mm to big :evil: :evil: Do you think it would be safe to open to slot up by 2mm :?: I've never took the tow bar off my truck & may not unless it starts to cause me probs when I go off road so I will just use the tow bar (not the tow ball) for the time being as it's a hefty thing.
Any advise will be most welcome :smile:

 

[Deleted Member S]

I was having a look around on ebay & came across this & thought it may be of interest to some of you's :smile:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4WD-RECOVERY-...ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122

 

[andrewk]

Ok everyone i've got another queastion I have got some rated bow shackles 4&3/4T ones now :smile: but when I had a look to see if the pin would fit through the slot in the rear recovery points the pin looks as if it's about 1-2mm to big :evil: :evil: Do you think it would be safe to open to slot up by 2mm

If you don't want to use a towball for recovery, why don't you just buy something like this ......... http://www.autow.co.uk/images/products_large/TJ040.jpg
http://www.autow.co.uk/trailer_parts/pinballs_prices_211.html


Cheers
Andrew

 

[Guest]

If you don't want to use a towball for recovery, why don't you just buy something like this ......... http://www.autow.co.uk/images/products_large/TJ040.jpg
http://www.autow.co.uk/trailer_parts/pinballs_prices_211.html

Thats what ive got on, a ball and pin, as it must be a lot safer due to the double shear effect on the pin rather than the swan neck??

Although after I went laning in Shropshire last sunday it needs to come off altogether, decents, it just acted as a mini plough :lol: :lol: but I need it on there for now

 

[Steve_Ray]

................Although after I went laning in Shropshire last sunday it needs to come off altogether, decents, it just acted as a mini plough :lol: :lol: but I need it on there for now

The motor did well last Sunday mate - glad to have you out with us :smile: But the ole tow bars can be a 'bit of a plough' at times

 

[Guest]

The motor did well last Sunday mate - glad to have you out with us :smile: But the ole tow bars can be a 'bit of a plough' at times

Of course it did its a nissan :lol: :lol:

You need to organise that one again, totally brilliant!!!!!!!!

 

[Deleted Member S]

I posted this earlier in this thread but did'nt get any feed back about it so I thought I'd mention it again :lol: I've got some 4&3/4T bow shackles but the wont fit through the slot in the recovery eye on the back of my T2 :evil: I was wondering if it would be ok & safe to open the slot up with a drill by 2mm to allow the pin to fit through the slot :?:

 

[andrewk]

Although after I went laning in Shropshire last sunday it needs to come off altogether, decents, it just acted as a mini plough :lol: :lol: but I need it on there for now

Yep, they do. I've got one in the garage that I haven't transferred to the Patrol, at least partly for that reason.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[andrewk]

I posted this earlier in this thread but did'nt get any feed back about it so I thought I'd mention it again :lol: I've got some 4&3/4T bow shackles but the wont fit through the slot in the recovery eye on the back of my T2 :evil: I was wondering if it would be ok & safe to open the slot up with a drill by 2mm to allow the pin to fit through the slot :?:

I've a tested 3.25ton shackle that'll probably fit, if you want to do a swap.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[Terranosaurus]

Sweety, got the impression from your previous post that you haven't actually tried it yet, I'm dropping my tow bar off tomorrow as I'm off laning in the Dales and will try a 4½T shackle through mine, seem to think they'll fit though from memory - tbh not had to do much recovery.

Best bits of offroad gear are legs to walk the route, eyes to look at it and a half decent brain to assess it and if need be, decide not to attempt.

 

[Guest]

I posted this earlier in this thread but did'nt get any feed back about it so I thought I'd mention it again :lol: I've got some 4&3/4T bow shackles but the wont fit through the slot in the recovery eye on the back of my T2 :evil: I was wondering if it would be ok & safe to open the slot up with a drill by 2mm to allow the pin to fit through the slot :?:

Probably no feed back as no one wants to be drawn into what could be a serious saftey issue. If in doubt, and you probably are, then don't do it.

The towing eyes are rarely very strong and are just normally used for emergancy towing or strapping down on transporters. Removing 2mm would in my opinion weaken them further.

 

[Deleted Member S]

Thanks for the feed back :smile: The towing eye/recovery point I was on about is where the tow bar is attached to the chassis (sorry if I've confused anyone in my post )

HB no I have'nt removed the tow bar yet :roll: I tried the pin up against the tow bar bolt & it's much larger than they are so tried it against the slot in the middle of the bolts which hold the tow bar in place & my pin for the shackle is about 2mm to big :evil:

 

[Terranosaurus]

I tried a 3.5T one today and that goes through ok. 3.5T lifting is 24.5T breaking so 12.25 towing/winching etc so plenty strong enough - thing is though you shouldn't point load the pin anyway so not best solution anyway. Like CM says I'm loath to say "yeah open the hole up" but if you do remove material from the rear of the hole (front of truck) this should weaken it less. At the end of the day the ones on the rear or a T2/Mav are truly substantial points, far stronger than a jate rings (most of which are inferior welded copies (not forged like mil ones) anyway etc, more like the tow points in some steering guards for landies.

 

[Deleted Member S]

Thanks again for the input as it's giving me something to think about :smile: I'm wondering if say a bridging chain & hooks etc would be a better option so I could spread the load to both sides of the truck instead of just one side :roll: But for the time being I think the tow bar is stopping in place & will use it as my rear recovery point untill I find it's causing me probs off road by which time i'll hopefully have something else lined up

 

[andrewk]

I'm wondering if say a bridging chain & hooks etc would be a better option so I could spread the load to both sides of the truck instead of just one side

If you've two recovery points then spreading the load with a bridle is a good idea. I wouldn't use chains for vehicle recovery, other than for manual winching (using a hilift or ratchet lever hoist), as they have no give in them.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[Terranosaurus]

Bridle needs to be as long as practical too, short ones are worse than none they pull the chassis rails together. Visualise the load path along the bridle and you'll see what I mean.