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i got c trax for 60 a set and my bronco's for 160.00 a set of 4
both in 32's and i got a good inch of tread on the broncos nearer 30-35mm

awsome
 
i got c trax for 60 a set and my bronco's for 160.00 a set of 4
both in 32's and i got a good inch of tread on the broncos nearer 30-35mm

awsome

OOOOO seems like a proper deal :thumbs
Show me the tread mmmmmmmmmm:D
 
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bronco's actually measure 32.5 inch but they have a good 30-35mm of tread like proper simex
 
Terr - see the little blue blob on the track where I mentioned? That was the little quarry and was me shuttling around trying different angles to pull it over again...

PETE - did you manage to open the track file OK? This graphic has the track elevation recorded and graphed from start to finish...
 

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Right I'm probably gonna get flamed for pointing this out but what the heck!

Where you were playing was private land not a public right of way.

Where you tipped your car was on private land not a public right of way.

Did you have the landowners permission to drive those forestry tracks? Thought not.:rolleyes:

Its what you're doing thats giving the rest of us a bad name and a hard time protecting our hobby.:(

Think about it fellas.
 
As far as I was aware, and several other landies etc, this was the Lon Las Cymru route. It's marked on the map as a route for any vehicle. There were no signs at the start or end by the council or ay other quango.I was also told by one of the landies we met that "organised trips" were done including this route.
If this track is banned or off limits or whatever , how the are we(or anyone else) meant to know? Also who says anyway?

As for the forest bit that too is shown on the map at least as an unmade road. Though I didnt check if we were "allowed" to use it!
The quarry bit yep I'm guilty:augie, its a rocky hole in the ground!:nenau

I thought you did Strata Florida too!
 
Right I'm probably gonna get flamed for pointing this out but what the heck!

Where you were playing was private land not a public right of way.

Where you tipped your car was on private land not a public right of way.

Did you have the landowners permission to drive those forestry tracks? Thought not.:rolleyes:

Its what you're doing thats giving the rest of us a bad name and a hard time protecting our hobby.:(

Think about it fellas.

Craig I assume you are talking about the forestry tracks specifically rather than Strata which, as far as I am aware, is a kosher right of way?

If so then I'm not sure I take your point. This being remote mid-Wales, there are hundreds (in fact probably into the 000's) of miles of these tracks, most of them unused for years at a time until the particular forestry company decides to cut an area, in which case you stay away. Until then, if the road gates are open, its accepted tradition around here that they are fair game and nobody, forestry companies included (as i regularly bump into their vehicles if I take my dogs up there on weekdays in the truck), gives a stuff. I've never even been challenged, let alone asked to leave.

All these forest tracks are laid with stone so its not as if any damage can be done, and I have never seen any complaint relating to use of 4x4s (or any other vehicles for that matter; the scramblers also use these tracks regularly without problem) on these routes.

The fact that they are usually miles from civilisation means that there are no walkers either.

If the forestry decides it wants to prevent access, they just lock the road gates and thats it. But they never have.

I'm aware that may not be the case elsewhere in more populated areas - even just over the Black Mountain in South Wales its normal to see road gates shut, but up here it isn't an issue.

I take your point about the general principle, but theres a world of difference between driving a remote stone forest track at 20 mph versus ploughing up Viking Way and sending ramblers scattering - theres just no comparison.
 
having met various types of people from many local clubs.
neath vally
bonkers 4x4
and many others
including many non club groups, i think in truth even im one of the responsible ones. the types of people in this scene vary greatly.

i admit i go places i shouldn't be i go out treaking with people who have access to forest keys and everything. but we dont deliberately damage areas
i know people who do , i know the type that are offensive to land owners , damage fencing and feilds etc in front of land owners they have a total dis regard for property and in some cases padestrians.

i cant stop them doing what they do , i can only not associate myself with them. but they will still do it.

i only go out with people who are responsible and do use tree strops and trim bushes instead of breaking branches.
yes i do what i shoulnt be doing but we are carefull and do show the youngsters the nice ,safe and responsible way of doing things

i personaly only enter if the gate is open but i have a key if its locked on return

as far as lanes closed due to damage and stuff and the popular opinion that if you behave they will not close the lanes to 4wd's. i honestly think you are wrong. the sarn is not in bad shape yet its closed and most is not opening in the spring. its not because i wrecked the sarn its because they want to have tourist areas for walkiers and mountain bikes they want to change the use of these roads and blaming 4x4's is the way the councils land owners choose to do it. and thats wrong

like i always say your welcome to protest in your own way the good honest way.
i choose to protest by still doing the lanes ,thats my way my choice

i dont disagree with your way, it just dont work for me

its my right to protest, as long as im not damaging peoples property
 
Yes Strata Florida is a public Right Of Way. It is maintained at the public expense as it is registered as a ROW on public records. You can go to the ROW or highways office @ Dyfed or Powys council offices and see it recorded on the D.M and / or LOS.

Forestry tracks in general do not have public ROW. Why not? Because its private land. Its not maintained by the public purse.
Go to the agencies I've mentioned above and see if they tell you theres public rights on those forestry tracks.

The fact that someone says its ok to drive them or that others drive them doesn't matter. They may ahve an agreement with the landowner allowing them to do that. I know of one tour company in that area that has private agreements to travel over private roads.
It doesn't matter that there were no walkers around that day either does it. Had you bumped into Emma Davies from Rhayader Police driving her LR along those tracks what might the result have been?
An S59? More bad publicity and press for Greenlaning? Who knows.

Then you come on here and give full details including your vehicles, pics and Fugawi screenshots for others to see.

It wouldn't hurt for you to read and apply Glass or CRAG's code of conduct for G'laning which might just save you a load of bother in the future:)
 
I must be missing something here!
You just said the Strata Florida is a right of way!
So whats the problem then?
As far as all your quangos for this that and the other do this dont do that, I just cant fathom them out.
I searched last night your crag thing , its all bumph and £25 required to find out anything!
While on a general search on google I found Page after page of companies doing that route for gain.Page after page of 4x4 clubs doing the route for fun.Loads of youtube vids etc etc.
Seems to me these precious bodies would be better off explaining in some userfriendly terms what ruddy track CAN BE USED!
Jeezz:doh
 
I must be missing something here!
You just said the Strata Florida is a right of way!
So whats the problem then?
As far as all your quangos for this that and the other do this dont do that, I just cant fathom them out.
I searched last night your crag thing , its all bumph and £25 required to find out anything!
While on a general search on google I found Page after page of companies doing that route for gain.Page after page of 4x4 clubs doing the route for fun.Loads of youtube vids etc etc.
Seems to me these precious bodies would be better off explaining in some userfriendly terms what ruddy track CAN BE USED!
Jeezz:doh


Think you are missing something - where you rolled wasn't on Strata Florida.

There are no Quangos involved - wtf are you on about, theres councils and landowners basically and thats it.

£25 cor wow - thats for a year, bet you spent way more than that on fue (and oil) on sunday.

If what you were doing was so whiter than white you won't have any objections to it all being forwarded to the relevant authorities. Sorry to be so blunt but this is a very important issue to the 4x4 community - you were trespassing and also "Driving other than on a road".
 
i too have asked people who do get access to the required info and what the tro etc means but they never spend the time to say ok this means this and that means that..... but they are quick to say you cant go there, once you already did it or moan that your giving them bad press

why not spend the time saying hey here is some helpfull info on where you can go and when its allowed

if i had info or the chance to help i would...... we dont all sit on here waiting for someone to say ok im going to do this to my truck and say nothing knowing it will break it or kill them ..... we all try to help each other out

well that is with the exception of the people who do actually know about green lanes and byways they want to keep all the info to themselves and watch others make mistakes

why not help rather than complain we are giving you a bad reputation
its better to work together
 
I'm pretty sre if you look there s plenty about it on this very forum - som,e fairly old threads admittedly but its there - will dig em out tonight.

But a fairish point, though if you look the info is all over,

but put simply you can only drive

BOATs (byway open to all traffic)

ORPA (other road with public access), but then you really need to check with the loacl rights of way department as not all ORPAs have vehicular rights

If you personally have been given permission by the landowner or their agent (and thats not just some guy who works for say the Forestry) and personally I'd get it in writing, I had a shot gun pulled on me by a gamekeeper who thought I shouldn't be on his bosses land, which was actually someone elses land who leased out the shooting.
 

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