mothers banned for being british

[R1cho]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nned-council-funded-playgroup-immigrants.html

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

It does seem strange, it would be interesting to see the nationality of the other mothers using the group to see if they are breaking the 2010 act.
What a shoddy way to deal with people.

 

[clivvy]

well, thats not surprising.

 

[tezzer]

It does seem strange, it would be interesting to see the nationality of the other mothers using the group to see if they are breaking the 2010 act.
What a shoddy way to deal with people.

does it not answer it self, anyone but British mothers (children), i would like to know what would happen if their children were mixed race. poxy country has gone to pot, if that not discrimination i dont know what is.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

It suprised me, it sounds like one of those tales people make up, like the 'black' coffee thing. Just to rouse peoples anger. But this one seems real.

 

[jace]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/English.Defence.League.EDL?v=info
kindve nice side to nf lol

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

does it not answer it self, anyone but British mothers (children), i would like to know what would happen if their children were mixed race. poxy country has gone to pot, if that not discrimination i dont know what is.

no it doesn't, and there seems to be a mixed notion of race and nationality here - read on.

it is possible to be black and british. So if there were black british mothers inside, and these motheres were turned away for being british - the implication is they were turned away because of the colour of their skin - therefore (as implied racism is an offence) the 2010 act would have been broken.

It's technical stuff, but visa-versa you could be 'foreign' and white, so if this nursery was for foreign mothers and kids, and austrailan, or german or french motehr could even if she was white.

you see the whole thing appears to be around imigreation status and nationality, not about race.

I'm not defending this, i think its a disgrace and self defeating as the best way to stamp out biggotry is to get all the children growing up together.

 

[R1cho]

but what would they say if we did the same, only british mothers and children allowed?

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

but what would they say if we did the same, only british mothers and children allowed?

As i said in above post, that would not break the law, as you can be of any race or ethnic origin and still British. In fact all out schools and nursery's and hospitals, and libraries and ... etc. etc. are just that with few exceptions - British only.

 

[R1cho]

As i said in above post, that would not break the law, as you can be of any race or ethnic origin and still British. In fact all out schools and nursery's and hospitals, and libraries and ... etc. etc. are just that with few exceptions - British only.

so they being countryist then, i bet they would still kick up a stink about it though

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

so they being countryist then, i bet they would still kick up a stink about it though

it gives the wrong ipression as the word is usualy defined as a political stance but - Nationalist - would be the only single word to describe it. But as i said if there were other women of British nationality, who were of sian or African origin (or any other British persons of colour) who were admited; the implication would be that these two were refused admission because of their colour and therefore the law has been broken.

but remember, i'm not a proper lawyer, but if you want me to defend you in court i am cheap :thumbs :lol

 

[tezzer]

it gives the wrong ipression as the word is usualy defined as a political stance but - Nationalist - would be the only single word to describe it. But as i said if there were other women of British nationality, who were of sian or African origin (or any other British persons of colour) who were admited; the implication would be that these two were refused admission because of their colour and therefore the law has been broken.

but remember, i'm not a proper lawyer, but if you want me to defend you in court i am cheap :thumbs :lol

but make sure you read his disclaimer first, :lol:augie

take no notice of him. :naughty:doh

 

[jace]

planks right the laws been broken if these two were turned away because of being white it is racist and if theyd been black and turned away theyd be uproar and hand wringing mps would be queing up to say what a disgrace it all is.
watch sky 3 now its a joke here illegaly dumped your passport oh ok well let you go so long as you sign on at our office! joke!

 

[Sedger]

Is it true though...

This matter was very badly handled by the club.

There are a number of points here

Is it true? A valid question in view of the Mail's track record for exagerating stories which suit its own political bias - a comment on the Mail forum is quoted below - but is that genuine - who knows...

I wonder if a single word of this article is true, srangely I took my daughter to the same playgroup and had no issue.I'm white and unfortunately also british, my wife is French but they weren't to know that. there were other "british" families there, these women seem to be the only ones who were excluded.

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It's also relevant that the charity that runs this was given the funding on the basis that it was for the integration of immigrant families. In other words so that they understand the UK culture, systems and values. This is very worthwhile.

Because of the strings attached to the funding the organisers would have to toe the line on who came. Clearly they've been way to restrictive (possibly) and this has resulted in a story which can be bigged up in the Mail and repeated on endless web sites (try and google it).

Adding to the harmony on the streets (NOT).

 

[lacroupade]

I've got to say, on the face of it, if true its an outrageous instance of reverse racism so I'm tempted by Sedgers thread, especially it being the dear old DM LOL....on the odd occasions I buy it, I always do so in expectation of a rollicking good "outraged of Surbiton" read :lol:lol

What this does bring home yet again though is how we vote governments in on the basis of a few headline manifesto items, without a bloody clue about how they intend to tackle the detail....maybe if we knew we might vote differently....doesn't matter if it excessive pandering to immigrants over UK citizens (which is guaranteed to create dissatisfaction straight off the bat), or more stupid rules and regulations to dump on the shoulders of Joe Citizen....:doh

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Sedger, I htink another point worth mentioning is the interpretaion of he rules by the staff, and the interpretation of why these women were excluded, the may themselves have got the wrong end of the stick.

I was merely explaining the difference between nationality and race.


Interesting that the phrase 'reverse rascism' has cropped up, and it is basically nonsense, rascism is racism, regardless of the race of those who are the antagonists or protagonists there is no 'reverse' about it. If a white man is refused a job becasue he is whit by a black employer that is racism. No reverse at all - just the same.

This story does seem a complete mess, with no qualification of the various terms used or real evidence. Yes i agree, on further reading it does seem just another atempt to rev up the right wing activists to action. And all that they do is make a bad situation worse!

It reminds me of a recent case the EDL banged on about, a church being turned into a Mosque. Outrage! they cried, 'let's hold a demo'- truth is if you want to stop churches closing (and the islamification of Britain) just go to your local church: regularly! and put your loose change in the plate. That's the only thing they need and the only thing that will work.

I don't feel threatened if a group of people want to associate with people of their own culture, do their own thing, speak their own language, without having to constantly concern themselves with wether or not they are doing the right thing. As white British people you get to do that all the time and take it for granted, so for me if a group of Hindu women (or any others for that matter) want to start a group for Hindu mothers and babys what would be the harm? Answer - none at all!

 

[Sedger]

Lacouprade's right..

.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.

Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......

Whoaa - feel better after that rant....

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.

Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......

Whoaa - feel better after that rant....

you are right though, the government, and euro government are responsible for most of these issue. Thats why they dont step in and stop people trying to blame each other, immigrants, students, etc. it lets them off the hook and while we are squabbling amongst orselves they are busy putting the price of diesel up :thumb2

 

[lacroupade]

.... we are basically cannon fodder in the political battle. We are constantly blatently and sometimes subtly manipulated. For example - all the political parties must have known before the election that they could do F*ck all about the bankers bonus situation. Yet they promised and promised. Clegg/Cable adamant they would be hard on the bankers and Cameron/Osborne saying "no-one should get more than 2k bonus in a bank in which the great british public has a share.

Now, of course, they are whining that they can't do anything - banks are intrinsic to wealth growth in the UK etc etc. Nothings changed - the facts are the same now as they where pre-election. They lied. And Labour are just as bad......

Whoaa - feel better after that rant....

PLANK I used the term 'reverse racism' deliberately (although unconsciously!) because its unusual to see racism laws applied much in that context...personally I think if its good for one section of society then it should be good for all!

@Sedger....totally agree. I had a right pop a while ago at some w*nkers on Facebook who started a group suggesting that the way to fix the National Debt was just to 'give' it to the middle classes (yes in case you hadn't guessed the perps were a bunch of benefit wasters).

They claimed that 1 in 10 people in the UK (i.e. six million people) had at least £4million of assets (the fact that there are only around 247,000 millionaires in the UK apparently went over their tiny heads) and that because of some hitherto unknown economic quirk they wouldn't actually have to repay it...just 'own' it...

But I said to them at the time, if you want to target anyone, target the bankers. Then just a couple of months later where are we? Major mortgage famine, yet the leeches working at Goldman Sachs are about to divvy out a bonus pot of £8Bn or so.....and the UK high street banks not all that far behind.....screw the lot of 'em I say!:doh

 

[4wheel]

What next !

Question. How the hell can you integrate if you are only allowed to socialise with foreigeners ? :nenau