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JonathanM said:
http://www.way-finder.co.uk/cgi-bin/register.pl
Doesn't require membership of any organisation.

True - it is open for use by anyone. There are differences between that ("green") system and the official GLASS/TRF Wayfinder "grey" system at www.wayfinderproject.co.uk - the principal ones being ....

1) The "grey" system was developed by a GLASS development team, of which Ian Boddison (GLASS RoW officer at the time the project was initiated) was a member and Lead Developer, for use by its membership over the period from Spring 2001 to March 2006. Development by GLASS and TRF members has continued to the present day. The system is intended for use by motorists for the benefit of motorists. The data contained within the system has been entered by its users continuously during the period from its launch at the GLASS AGM in September 2001. It is held in Wayfinder for the benefit of the all Wayfinder users in perpetuity (see FAQ 49). The system is used regularly and updated by many hundreds of users. The names of users who create and update information are openly displayed in the system. Paid access is available to anyone who agrees to the Wayfinder terms of use. Access to the system is included as a membership benefit to GLASS and TRF members. Free access is also available to a limited number of members of clubs that are affiliated to GLASS (TRF doesn't have affiliate organisations) and low cost access to other members of those clubs.

2) Control over the "green" system, which was a copy of GLASS Wayfinder as at 13 March 2006 is in the hands of a company that is limited by guarantee called Wayfinder Project Limited. There are three directors, Ian Boddison, Jon Wildsmith and another who is understood to be a friend of Ian Boddison but who plays no part in the management of the system. User personal information and the data in the system was also "acquired" on 13 March 2006, was subsequently enhanced by importing a number of lanes from an external database owned by Jon Wildsmith but has been relatively static since then due to its much smaller user base. The Wayfinder Terms of Service (see FAQ35) specifically require that users make no claim to ownership of any data or text entered. It is possible that the directors of the company could commercially exploit that data if they chose to do so. You may notice, if you use the system, that the names of those who create and update data are witheld for legal reasons. The system is not primarily intended for use by and for the benefit of motorists. It is open for use by anyone - membership and use by walkers, cyclists and horse riders being encouraged. The system is not supported in any sense by GLASS, by TRF or by LARA. CRAG have denied that they have any involvement in the management of the system, though some of their members are known to be users.

The GLASS/TRF Wayfinder system is under active development - a substantial Google Maps implementation having been put in place during 2007. A replacement system, Trailwise, has also been developed during 2007, is currently under test and will be launched during the early part of 2008. As you will appreciate, GLASS and TRF are desperately in need of funds to assist in the fight to retain rights for motorists to use unsealed routes in the countryside. The GLASS membership of LARA costs around £5000 each year and the costs of parliamentary lobbying are frightening. The "managers" of the "free" system have no need for such funds, because they don't incur these costs.

I need to declare an interest here - as I was an original member of the Wayfinder development team from May 2001 onwards (but it was then called GLASS List of Roads). I continue to be involved in the management of the official GLASS Wayfinder system and am an active member of the Trailwise development team. I have been for some time and remain a personal friend of Ian Boddison.

Cheers
Andrew Kay
 
The Green Wayfinder also seems to have a google maps add on as well.

I put the link up as it is a free to join database, and does not appear affiliated to any particular organisation. I know several Nissan 4x4 club members already use this particular database, and was just highlighting the publicly available options that members can use FoC.
 
I find you need to use both depending on where you are in the country, one will be more up to date than the other in different areas depending on the active members each has in each area. The GLASS one for all they like to say its better needs to be read in conjunction with their discussion forum because frequently members will be discussing things with new information etc but fail to update wayfinder. I think the problem with both of them is that too many people use them purely as a resource and don't contribute, and it is only through contributions that either will advance. There are regular comments on Difflock and Mudclub etc that say "well Wayfinder says its a......" as though it is some authoritative guide, neither are they are just a central database of peoples findings, but rights of way are fluid and changing and neither site manages to keep up if the truth be told. Its a pity that whatever caused the split happened, they would be stronger as one.
 
JonathanM said:
The Green Wayfinder also seems to have a google maps add on as well.

Yes, I showed Ian Boddison the "grey" Wayfinder implementation of Google maps the last time he was chez moi, 6 months or so back. It was shortly after that, that the GLASS Wayfinder site was "visited" and a reduced functionality implementation appeared on the "green" site (not all the GLASS code was hidden). :roll:

I put the link up as it is a free to join database, and does not appear affiliated to any particular organisation. I know several Nissan 4x4 club members already use this particular database, and was just highlighting the publicly available options that members can use FoC.

Yep - and I've no problem with that. My post was intended merely to make folks aware of some of the background, as cost might not be their only concern. There is more background - but you can probably infer some of it by "reading between the lines" :smile: .

Thinking about that, you can probably infer some more of the background, if you are interested, by having a look at some of the old Wayfinder home pages on the Internet Archive Waybackmachine. Have a look at: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://way-finder.co.uk - and how they changed over time. :(

Cheers
Andrew
 
hummingbird said:
I think the problem with both of them is that too many people use them purely as a resource and don't contribute, and it is only through contributions that either will advance.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. :smile:


Its a pity that whatever caused the split happened, they would be stronger as one.

I agree wholeheartedly with that too.

There are many members of GLASS (including me) who still regard Ian Boddison as a personal friend, despite what happened and would not want GLASS to take legal action against "Wayfinder Project Limited" or promote mass complaints to the Information Commissioner by GLASS members - even though that might have resulted in the "green" site being closed down. It's all water under the bridge now. The GLASS Executive see Trailwise (and other linked initiatives) as being the way forward.


Cheers
Andrew
 
Ok I'm going to bring this one back to the top and hopefully we can sort something out.

A few questions who would be willing to pay a pound or to to join a "Green Laning" section of this club (name to be decided later)?

Who is already a member of GLASS?

Who would be willing to be the clubs rep for a given area? Non GLASS members would hopefully receive Wayfinder login etc. This doesn't need to be too daunting, we can guide you through the use of Wayfinder etc.
 
I'll kick off.

I'd join a new Green Laning Sub club.

I'm a member of GLASS (and regional Rep).

I'd be happy to cover some or all of Yorkshire.
 
I am willing to pay extra, and would help out in the northwest

Paul
 
I would pay a little extra for a Greenlaning sub forum.
And I would seriously consider what is involved in being a club rep for the (West) Midlands area.
I have no glass membership but do use the grey wayfinder regularly.
I am however a former crag member and still frequent its forum.

If I could be of any use in this please contact me.
 
greenlaning

i would also pay a little extra for a greenlaing sub forum but i'm more of a follower as i just dont't have the knowledge to be a rep.
 
Ok heres some reading to be getting on with for those interested.

http://www.glass-uk.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=400&Itemid=126

http://www.glass-uk.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=145&Itemid=370


So from that for up to 30 members it is going to cost us £30 to affiliate, after that £1 per additional member. So lets see who's interested and set the joining fee for "Nissan and Ford Maverick 4x4 Green Laners" (working title) later. Those joining from the outset can probably have their membership extended if we get to lower the fee later as membership grows.
 
As said I am down for this, even though we don't get chance to get out much.
One thing though, Mav as said he as not got as much time as he did so I take it you are going to help him with this?
 
Paul332 said:
As said I am down for this, even though we don't get chance to get out much.
One thing though, Mav as said he as not got as much time as he did so I take it you are going to help him with this?

Yes I'm dealing with it.
 
hummingbird said:
Paul332 said:
As said I am down for this, even though we don't get chance to get out much.
One thing though, Mav as said he as not got as much time as he did so I take it you are going to help him with this?

Yes I'm dealing with it.

Looking forward to see the results with this. :lol:
 
Simon Put me down for this after catching up on emails.John
 
hummingbird said:
So from that for up to 30 members it is going to cost us £30 to affiliate, after that £1 per additional member. So lets see who's interested and set the joining fee for "Nissan and Ford Maverick 4x4 Green Laners" (working title) later. Those joining from the outset can probably have their membership extended if we get to lower the fee later as membership grows.

I'd like to be a member of the greenlaning section of the club. I'm an individual member of GLASS, so get access to Wayfinder anyway (and soon to Trailwise, its replacement).

I'm OK with paying an additional sub for membership of the subgroup - but it'd be daft to count me as a member for the purpose of the GLASS affiliation fee (coz you'd pay more).

Cheers
Andrew
 
Green laning

hi simon.
only just caught up with this post , Glass membership sounds good.
I am up for joining the off road section.
let me know if you need a hand.
rgds.iandouglas
 
Hello Again, Hummingbird,

Is anything happening with this, Not heard anything lately.

Mav.
 

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