Chit chat -Stanage- and other stuff,

[Guest]

Do Stannage often enough and it will clean the rust off the chassis each time -rotfl-

Jim T

Or just reshape it to fit the rocks :twisted: -rotfl- -rotfl-

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Chasis rot? your confusing your nissans and land rovers again surely ?

Andrew, have you ever owned or driven a T2 off road? as you seem to have a very low opinion of them, as i have been off roading in a T2 with land rovers and they were stuck just as often if not more?

I agree abotu the 'stock' motor, but it applies to all stock 4x4's and if you throw enough time and money at it, any 4x4 will take you anywhere you want to go!

 

[Terranosaurus]

Well said plank

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Well said plank

makes a change for us to agree :wink: :lol:

 

[Terranosaurus]

Well said plank

makes a change for us to agree :wink: :lol:

I nearly added something to that effect - proof positive that we must be right then - funny thing Patrols used to be the ultimate off road vehicle......

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Well, we have a t2 and a suzuki, I may try sticking a green oval on the front of both as it seems that is the ulitmate off road mod! or maybe its biggest effect goes on betwen the ears :lol: :lol:

notice all the debate here about no standard jap 4x4 etc. etc. and the video link shows a pretty bog standard vitara doing just that :!:

 

[andrewk]

Andrew, have you ever owned or driven a T2 off road? as you seem to have a very low opinion of them, as i have been off roading in a T2 with land rovers and they were stuck just as often if not more?

I do not have a low opinion of the Nissan Terrano. I know that they are pretty competent offroad. They are similar in many respects to the Isuzu Trooper (but slightly smaller) that I had until recently and suffer from the same limitations - i.e. limited ground clearance and independent suspension at the front which limits wheel articulation. Whilst you can do a little to improve the Trooper (and Terrano), for as long as it has IFS, it is fundamentally limited. I have no reason to suppose that the Terrano is any more (or less) capable than a Trooper - and I drove one of those all over the place for several years - but would not take it down Stanage, as the risk of damage is just too high.

Any competent driver can get a Defender 90 up or down Stanage (and similar) without undue difficulty and without damaging it. With respect, if I wanted a cheap motor just for laning (as a second car), I'd buy an old D90, Range Rover, Jeep Cherokee or Wrangler, Patrol or Landcruiser VX or possibly a G-Wagen. They are all pretty capable "out of the box" - and bits to completely transform their offorad performance are fairly readily available - though only those for the Land Rovers are cheap in the UK.

if you throw enough time and money at it, any 4x4 will take you anywhere you want to go!

Yep, I've even seen a Trooper with beam axles at the front, a big lift and giant tyres. It's not really a Trooper any more - just looks like one.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[Terranosaurus]

AndrewK - Plank meant Andrew or Andy aka Cameraman not you.

 

[andrewk]

AndrewK - Plank meant Andrew or Andy aka Cameraman not you.

Oops - sorry folks. Heh heh ..............

I'd have said the same whatever. It was after I came back from holiday at the end of August that I/we decided that it was time to pension off the Trooper that we'd have for 7 years and done 100,000 miles in.

Apart from a financial constraint and a wish that the vehicle still have a significant period of manufacturer's warranty left, we wanted a vehicle that would be a viable family motor, no shorter than the Trooper, a great caravan towcar and be significantly better offroad than the Trooper was. Neither a Defender 90 or a Terrano fit those criteria.

The shortlist was actually very short - really just the Discovery and Patrol. The Patrol won for all manner of reasons - availability at the right price, value for money, reliability, capability, toughness being the main ones, though the potential for fitting a much bigger wardrobe in the back was attractive too. :smile:

We've had it for a couple of months now - and wouldn't trade it for anything.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

well while we are o the subject.............
i have owned 4 troopers and 3 terranos

as I sugested you have never owned 1 terrano and not tried to drive it anywhere off road so your opinion is accademic and unfounded, as is that of anyone who has never owned and driven a particular vehicle.

A T2' suspenssion set up is a world away from a trooper, and at least as different as suspension can get!

no offence intended, but, buy one, try one, and then pass judgement, until then its a bit rude to discuss their capabilities or potential, on or off road!

 

[andrewk]

A T2' suspenssion set up is a world away from a trooper, and at least as different as suspension can get!

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a Terrano has a live rear axle with coil springs. It has torsion bars and wishbones at the front. All of these also apply to the Trooper. In which way is the suspension setup of a Terrano different?

I'm not sure why you think I'm "having a go" at Terranos or passing judgement. I've just re-read this thread and cannot find a single unwarranted negative implication in anything I've written - or is it just that you think that a positive comment on a Defender 90 is not appropriate for a Nissan forum?

Cheers
Andrew

 

[NNMan]

I have never been but have heard its not to bad, I might give it a go if bits are washed away though!

Some of it has been repaired - but as it was when I saw it, you'd be wasting your time in a Terrano. No even remotely standard motor could have made it up the hill. If you have a Unimog, who knows - but otherwise ............ http://www.lowrangetv.com/play.php?vid=123

It's only a little over 80 miles from Oban to Laggan - you could pop up this weekend for a recce. If the track has been fixed, I'd love to have another go at it.

Cheers
Andrew

Unfortunatl I am working, Christmas too! I will look some time but if these guys are the kind that go up their http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_U1pdA-EKY it cant be to bad!

By the way I dont have a terrano.

 

[andrewk]

if these guys are the kind that go up their http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_U1pdA-EKY it cant be to bad!

I've seen that video before - a right pair of dipsticks, aren't they? There's nothing in the video to indicate that they went more than a mile or two past the bothy. The frames that show a Toureg struggling to get over/around a 6ins diameter pebble are a hoot. I really don't know why they thought that lifting a wheel was impressive - just shows the Toureg has little or no wheel articulation :smile: The "torrent" that you saw them wading through is normally only a couple of inches deep - it's at the end of the tarred public road and is bypassed by a perfectly serviceable bridge.

I understand that some of the track has been repaired and it might not be as difficult as when we saw it last August. At the bottom of the zig-zags, there was a 1 metre deep V-gulley with a step at the far end to climb out that was the best part of a metre high too. It got MUCH worse further up. It's not so much a matter of being a bit difficult, but of being seriously dangerous. Our party was led by a Defender 90, followed by an Isuzu Trooper and a lifted LR Discovery. Given that it was persisting down and that progressing any further would have required hours of digging, discretion and the need for a spell in the warm back at the caravan got the better of us.

It maybe be a lot easier if it has been repaired. If you do decide to go and have a look, I'd be interested in some feedback on its condition (and any photos you take)

Cheers
Andrew

 

[jace]

we had this out on hire for few days so just had to get it dirty lol!
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/WARSTAFFS/RagingBull/photo#5146097141661394722

 

[andrewk]

we had this out on hire for few days so just had to get it dirty lol!
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/WARSTAFFS/RagingBull/photo#5146097141661394722

You went laning in a hire car? Mmmm (thinks) .......... maybe I'm going to get to do Stanage after all. :smile:

Cheers
Andrew

 

[Guest]

As for Stanage, I need to conquer that. Watched loads of vids now with various vehicles making it, so bring it on 8) 8)

Need to have a good guide though......

Set a date :twisted: and buy some waffles............ http://i3.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/c0/11/1b77_1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OFF-ROAD-4X4-...ryZ31348QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

We shall set a date, whenever mate!! 8) 8)

Is that about the right price for waffles or can you get them cheaper??

 

[jace]

best part of that hire car was it wasnt booked out to me lol wed have gone down there if itd been an escort have met minis down there before!

 

[andrewk]

Is that about the right price for waffles or can you get them cheaper??

You definitely can get them for less than that. :smile:

I've a 4ft long 38mm thick pair in my garage that I've never used. Now I've got a Patrol, I think I need thicker 50mm waffles - but the 38mm ones should be ideal for a Terrano.

If you are interested, let me know ........

Cheers
Andrew

 

[jace]

ive got something simlair we used them to build tempory roads etc they interlock kindve plastick with metal reinforcing inside to big for in back truck really youd need to cut them in half with stihl saw or sommat

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

A T2' suspenssion set up is a world away from a trooper, and at least as different as suspension can get!

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a Terrano has a live rear axle with coil springs. It has torsion bars and wishbones at the front. All of these also apply to the Trooper. In which way is the suspension setup of a Terrano different?

I'm not sure why you think I'm "having a go" at Terranos or passing judgement. I've just re-read this thread and cannot find a single unwarranted negative implication in anything I've written - or is it just that you think that a positive comment on a Defender 90 is not appropriate for a Nissan forum?

Cheers
Andrew

depends what trooper you are talking about they made them for a long time :wink:

and mate as i said dont knock it until you have tried it! simple as that!