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wildbri said:
My brother in law has just been on one of those courses, he had a ticket saying he had been photographed at "0" miles per hour and the photo showed his front wheel on the white line at the lights, my son had the same thing on his push bike when he was booked at the front of the lights with his wheel over the line whilst waiting for them to change....... money making or what? Not a criminal or safety issue but of course the council do collect the money...regards bri
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Ah, now I know about this and yes it does happen, being self employed I get regular calls from agencies in the poop that have been let down, an agency recently sent me a reminder to say one of their drivers had been done whilst going thro a green light that changed back to red halfway thro and the rear camera picked up the number plate of the artic trailer, needless to say he got done, the letter stated "do not go thro a green light if whilst approaching from 200 yrds plus it is on green, slow down and let it go to red and KEEP off the white lines", again this can be seen as dangerous and its a wake up call to us all that we should be more vigilant,so I can undestand this and too be honest I have been turning down work unless its trunking work from a depot to a service area as this seems to be a way of avoiding this from happening Big miles on the motorway and little miles to and fro the depot.
Crazy tho it is its getting harder each day to make a living -- driving --- and after all this I did 3000kms plus in Germany, Belgium, luxembourg and france recently and NEVER saw a camera and the satnav never went Ping....

Only here, only here my friends
 
tezzer said:
daved, my road angel knows where the coppers hide, it's the one that was supposed to be deactivated, somehow i forgot to get it done, i know where they sit round our way and have tried it, works every time, its for sale £500 :lol:naughty
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:nenau cant argue what yours does and doesnt know havent played with it BUT.............

the gps/database tells you where cops/cameras have been seen, it doesnt locate them unless theyre using a device it picks up on, and thats far from all of them.

Thats why our road angel ended up on ebay and I switched to the non tech version. Self control and eyes open :thumb2

I pmsl when people justify the camera detectors as safety devices.

aparently they tell you where the cameras are which are monitoring accident blackspots so therefore youre aware of a blackspot. In the next breath theyre telling you the cops should find something better to do and shouldnt be running a camera at that spot :nenau:lol

The unwitting contradiction is top stuff, especially when theyre in youre face, then the ace card is when you tell them you dislike speed cameras and youve been nicked yourself :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
 
i got done a few years back, driving my other halfs flipping renault 5 too fast (so used to the V6 mazda, i was drivign too fast thinking it wasnt going that fast!) anyway, Road Traffic clocked me and pulled me for it, got a rollocking, and offered the speed awareness course. It was £90, no points, and you HAD to complete several questionaires during a set time period, otherwise you were in trouble.

Anyway, i took the course because i had worked hard at keeping my licence clean afetr clearing the last lot of points, and i still do work hard (mistakes are easily made pete). The course was OK, but it was pretty much there to shame you all and talk down to you (although they did provide lunch, which was my focus). the exciting part was going out in a group for a drive! this was awesome, the instructorteaches you stuff, critisices you and is positive also. the other members are asked to do the same, so i was told by the other two they thought i drove too fast and didnt signal correctly, funny thing was the instructor disagreed with them! Instructor said i was a good driver, apart from I drove too fast both in terms of acceleration and speed. At the end of it, you get an assesment, and i got "goodmarks", his comments were "actually youre a good driver, very aware of whats around you just watch that speed" so i was quite pleased because id learned something, learned my lesson, and kept my licence clean (and got a free lunch)

I dont think you can choose the course however, its discretional i believe, based on how full the local centre is etc etc, I got lucky because the scheme had just started in my area....
 
clivvy said:
i got done a few years back, driving my other halfs flipping renault 5 too fast (so used to the V6 mazda, i was drivign too fast thinking it wasnt going that fast!) anyway, Road Traffic clocked me and pulled me for it, got a rollocking, and offered the speed awareness course. It was £90, no points, and you HAD to complete several questionaires during a set time period, otherwise you were in trouble.

Anyway, i took the course because i had worked hard at keeping my licence clean afetr clearing the last lot of points, and i still do work hard (mistakes are easily made pete). The course was OK, but it was pretty much there to shame you all and talk down to you (although they did provide lunch, which was my focus). the exciting part was going out in a group for a drive! this was awesome, the instructorteaches you stuff, critisices you and is positive also. the other members are asked to do the same, so i was told by the other two they thought i drove too fast and didnt signal correctly, funny thing was the instructor disagreed with them! Instructor said i was a good driver, apart from I drove too fast both in terms of acceleration and speed. At the end of it, you get an assesment, and i got "goodmarks", his comments were "actually youre a good driver, very aware of whats around you just watch that speed" so i was quite pleased because id learned something, learned my lesson, and kept my licence clean (and got a free lunch)

I dont think you can choose the course however, its discretional i believe, based on how full the local centre is etc etc, I got lucky because the scheme had just started in my area....
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Sounds similir to what my mates have said about the scheme, as you say its all about if there is space on the course, thats why I advised Pete to go to the cop shop and see if they can help, its a way of saying "yes Ive done wrong BUT Id like help from you so it doesnt happen again" its a way of addmitting to speeding yes, but what would be Petes defence, he cant say I know my speedos under-reading, and if he did nowt then hed be hit like everyone else, fine , points etc, at least for the time spent at the police station he can then say " I immediately went to seek help so this doesnt happen again"in court,sucking up,yes, but at times like this everyone has to understand that THEY have the upper hand, if its full in his county then ask if a neighbouring county has space. Got to be worth a try.... if only for his own satisfaction, dont you think...
 
Hard Luck Briggie, I got zapped by a mobile two years ago funnily enough 36 in a 30 limit. Didn't get offered a course instead of points but I would of happily taken the course. I don't think you can rerally argue with them about calibration and stuff. Best just to take it on the chin.
Have to say it's worked with me, I now spend more time watching my speed than the road:doh

Jim
 
MontysMaverick said:
Pete, isnt there something where you can ask to go on a "speed aware course" where you pay a fee and the fine but dont have the points on ya licence. Dont know much about these as Im frugal with juice (seen as I have to pay for it... lol) and the lead weights been thrown away, years ago lol.

Karl, are you taking note, surreal as we were talking about speed only the other day, these cameras are the absolute pits and a few have been burnt down around here,

Maybe worth a trip to the cop shop pete and ask in advance, you know do the good citizen thing,
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The cop shop will just say "not our business, its a camera partnership issue".

And the form now even specifically says "Do not ask about Speeding Awareness courses, one will be offered if it is considered appropriate".

I got nobbled doing 35 in a 30 in my little runabout - yet ACPO guidance apparently is don't do the driver unless OVER speed limit + 10% + 2mph. And you'd think a 56 year old with 6 points on his licence would be prime stuff for an SA course....at least I did! LOL

These bloody tax-collecting devices have done more to damage civvy/police relations and less for road safety than anything yet invented:doh
 
Blimey , what a long winded thread about speeding ticket:doh
Briggie have you asked for the photo/ Get that first but only ask for it a few days before the 4 week dead line. Then you get another few weeks delay. Have you a friend in say Belgium or er Australia? If so maybe they were driving that day:augie
If big IF they actually write to cousin Bruce in Aus he just replies to you and then you tell plod you made a mistake it must have been your mate from Belg.
It works, honest:sly
The pic thing is just incase they've cocked up on the car, a bit like Extreme says. If for example there be some distinguishing feature on your car in the pic, then bin it and suggest your car must have been cloned. Down side is your car will be marked for a while.
OR pay a student to take your points and help their education grant:D
 
makeitfit said:
Blimey , what a long winded thread about speeding ticket:doh
Briggie have you asked for the photo/ Get that first but only ask for it a few days before the 4 week dead line. Then you get another few weeks delay. Have you a friend in say Belgium or er Australia? If so maybe they were driving that day:augie
If big IF they actually write to cousin Bruce in Aus he just replies to you and then you tell plod you made a mistake it must have been your mate from Belg.
It works, honest:sly
The pic thing is just incase they've cocked up on the car, a bit like Extreme says. If for example there be some distinguishing feature on your car in the pic, then bin it and suggest your car must have been cloned. Down side is your car will be marked for a while.
OR pay a student to take your points and help their education grant:D
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Thats exactly what I wanted to say but could not find the words at the time, well done, at least Pete should now be better prepaired, Rick
 
Just discovered that ALL the cameras in Oxfordshire have been turned off, fixed AND mobile....I might not go back to Wales tomorrow! LOL

Still, at least all those wasters in the Camera Partnership are now JOBLESS - nice one :sly
 
Are those broody ave speed cams still working on the m4?
Damn things put half an hour onto my trips to Newport:doh
 
One speeding offense on your license won't affect your insurance.
These days they expect everyone to have at least one.
 
lacroupade said:
Seems Oxfordshire was the first, and currently only, county to declare a full switch-off.

This is as good as it gets in Wales apparently....

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-in-wales-may-be-switched-off-91466-27686982/
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mmmmmmmm.......wales was the home ground of the prince of camera darkness. Formerly up here too which was why this area slavishly followed the revenue earning prosecution by post card.

Interestingly enough in our neck of the woods Cleveland followed the "camera everything" route. The chief constable of Durham refused to set up the fixed cameras and operated one mobile van which was deployed to genuine problem areas.

Both counties had similar accident/collision/incident rate before "safety" cameras were put in , both had similar after a year or so :nenau

On the subject of getting others to take the rap or squirming out of it..............you spineless gits. If you cant take the pain dont get it wrong in the first place. Its not as if any one made you do it. Briggies already coughed he screwed up by carelessly using whats technically an unroadworthy car.

On a far more practical basis a bit of research will show you that for atempting to pervert the course of justice you have an odds on chance of becoming bubbas bitch. Theyre jailing people for it. So £60+3 points becomes a 7 month stretch for the likes of this bloke http://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/news.php?selectmonth=February%2010 as well as a minimum of £60 + 3 points. Lets be honest if youre not bright enough to avoid the camera ultimately youll not be bright enough to avoid detection in the long term :D you'll come again.

That does get you a criminal record and pervert the course of justice is not good on your cv because it implies inherent proven dishonesty.

Every time you try to be clever theres more of a chance youll get caught out and every time its a higher offence, ok some get away with it but fewer all the time and the penalties are getting harsher :thumb2
 
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