racists thats me now

[Liam]

Hard to decide my origins,grandfather fought with the British in WW1,uncle was in the RAF in the 60's in Aden,brother was in Reserve Defence Forces in Ireland,Aunt in London,uncle in Hull,surname originated in Devon/Cornwall,born in Dublin now living in Laois.Feel really at home in Scotland. Now my head hurts. Positive things about ethnic diversity? I don't really know except to say I have met and had the pleasure of working with some really smashing people,from a large selection of countries and have discovered that we all seem to share one thing, suspicion,fear,hatred and sometimes even anger at other nationalities ,other than our own. I think it is called jingoism and most people in most countries suffer from it to some degree, even the really nice helpful,humourous,decent people who take the time to post here.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Hard to decide my origins,grandfather fought with the British in WW1,uncle was in the RAF in the 60's in Aden,brother was in Reserve Defence Forces in Ireland,Aunt in London,uncle in Hull,surname originated in Devon/Cornwall,born in Dublin now living in Laois.Feel really at home in Scotland. Now my head hurts. Positive things about ethnic diversity? I don't really know except to say I have met and had the pleasure of working with some really smashing people,from a large selection of countries and have discovered that we all seem to share one thing, suspicion,fear,hatred and sometimes even anger at other nationalities ,other than our own. I think it is called jingoism and most people in most countries suffer from it to some degree, even the really nice helpful,humourous,decent people who take the time to post here.

an excellent point! xenophobia! it is often used as a defence mechanism and masks the real problems, in this case a country in crisis, and people doing what they do best - taking advantage of the situation! Arguing for ending imigration is fair enough, but blame the policy makers, our succesive governments, not the imigrants! and even if yo do, racist coments are still not required.

Im not arguing with the sentiment just the appropriatenss of some of the langauge used!

 

[extreme-4x4]

so lets get this right.
im allowed to say not uk nationals. but i cant say not bloody british

in not female
im not black
im not gay
im not french


i am white
i am british
i am straight
i am male

whilst as you know i have often been on your side when these things come up.

and i have tried to defuse this thread for your benefit plank.

but you have to explain, how is saying "they are not bloody british" if they are not british
how on earth do you make that racist

example:
in not a banana, so how can that be offensive or discrimination . its not even anti fruit.
its just an explanation that i am not a banana

 

[tezzer]

plank, i doubt you have had to throw any of your children out of your home officaly, so they get a home of thier own, because if you had you would'nt come out with this post, and you would chomping at the bit like me, as for gurkha's i do work with them and yes i would rather live next them than the ragheads who site death to our innocent people they are parasites all of them, how do you think the families of the victims blown up feel. bloody immegrants send them back home. and i have sent an e-mail to downing street suggesting the same, with my address and i hope i do hear from them. then i will have the chance to really pi**ed off, poxy spongers send them home.

as i said im dont want to be getting but your argument is wrong, and yes the statment you make could be considered racist by any court in the right (or wrong) circumstances.

well I would employ her, but im not female! = sexism

i would empoly him, but im not coloured like he is = racism

and the phrase 'coloured' is in itslef seen as racist and unaceptable and has been for the last 20 + years

tezzer, im not having a go at you, i agree you have had bad experiences, but so have we all in many ways, and i can sympathise mate, but send all imigrants home, and poxy scroungers is a bit strong for this site dont you think? So who shall we sart with then? half the pro football players, the duke of edinburgh? or maybe lets go back in history and do the ob properly, the romans? the vikings? or the saxons that invaded and wiped out the indigenous population and as such form the bulk of the dna stiock all british people are now descende from? Immigration has been a constant feature of British history for as long as it has been recorded, so has emmigration, Australia, USA etc began as British colonies. The imigration and scrounger thing is an unaceptable steroptype.

I agree current social policies that seem to priorotise non uk nationals are wrong, but most are funded my central europe and without that cash a lot of the homes would stand empty or derelcit as local councils can't manage them. And that is also wrong!

What we need is a change of policy not more victim blaming! that is too easy to just sit and moan rather than do anyhting about it! I dont think voting will do any good just exchange one load of idiots for another, we need something more radical!

as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?

but you do need to seperate racist comments from the real issues, i.e. imigrants are scroungers what about doctors and scientists etc from the same countries? or are only unmloyed sikhs 'ragheads' and the others are OK? its the double standards that sink the argument! or on the other hand are white unemplyed people sccroungers too? or what about non uk white people? it is too complicatd for words but basically it is wrong to stereotype people on the basis of their ethnicity or nationality regardless of the circmstances.

I am not saying 1000's of people from overseas coming here for free housing and handouts is right, but it is the policy that alows them to do this that is wrong, in the same circumstances we would do the same thing! and in fact do!

I really htink this thread should now be locked and or deleted as it has nothing to add to the smooth running of this club! can non members read this? if so what must any of them think who are outside the UK or are Asian, or mixed race, or imigrants etc etc etc?


I suggest to mods that as soon as a thread takes a racist turn it should be jumped on, before it goes to far!

hi plank, quote--as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?


when my daughter got married they were both working and could only get private rental, really wanted to buy their own house but could not get a mortage on their earnings, anyway paid the deposit and moved in, a loverly 2 bedroom flat, only a year old, daughter had a baby, and 6 montyhs later son in law lost his job because of cut backs and so they could'nt afford to stay there, the council would only pay a certain amount of the rent and when they used their savings they had to move in with the wife and me, signed on council books for a council house and was told it will 7-9 years before they would get a house of their own. after 6 months living with us we contacted CAB and was told the only way forward was to throw them out, i did ask around and found out this is a common practise, that has to be wrong, anyway while sil and daughter were in the council office a black family came in, went straight in because there was an interperter waiting to help with filling forms and they were given drinks, and that has to be wrong, so im sorry if you took offence about my posting but i have had agut full of the stupid system in this country. so thats why i had to throw them out, and i felt a right bastard for doing it mate.
but it worked and they have a 3 bedroom house privately rented, and the land lord is a diamond she dropped the rent so the council will pay the rent. AMEN

tezzer

 

[Deleted account DD]

Tezzer, I have absolute sympathy with the housing problem, but !!!!

Due to the area I work and live, my missus too, we have come into contact with quite a range of different ethnic backgrounds and cultures as well as our own.

I can say with absolute conviction and first hand experience that amongst every group there is the same spectrum of personalities ethics and morals from the downright obnoxious criminal through to the person who'd give you their own waterproofs in a rain storm.

Not having a go at anyone at all but some of the terms that have been used on here are downright offensive, particularly as Plank says, the root of the problems are policy decisions which down the line get even more distorted, changing perceptions and expectations.

Last thought, we all sit here banging away on the keyboard, apart from those you've met or seen pics of how do you know the ethnic background of the members on here? I've met one off here but other than that no one else has seen me.

Most will possibly have a mental image of me as white English, but as I havent said how do you know I'm not an African Moslem with Brit nationality deeply offended by coments posted in a public forum. I could be considering actions ranging from binning membership of a racist motor club through to being about to contact the local police this afternoon , to ask them to have a look at the comments on here which I perceive as racist making me a victim.

Dont worry, I'm not, I'm more likely to tell you what to go do :lol but it does happen :thumb2

 

[extreme-4x4]

well i can say without question, my comments were simply to defuse the situation that was close to boiling point, and i tried to encourage members to use non or less offensive words.
but this was obviously mis interpreted by plank

as a parent of someone who is not white nor are they African Indian or whatever, his farther had Indian roots , but a long way back
this has always had a dilemma for him .
filling in forms etc. hospital and so on friends at school

this question has often come up in our household. how does he describe himself, what is his identity
after all he is British, but he's not white. he is not black or yellow.
he is not Indian, African or Chinese

we have spent many hours days weeks discussing this with him. living and being part of a very white family, doing all the things families do shopping days out and so on. yes people stare some even ask
so we know. we have been there.
often made worse by the fact his older sister is white, and younger sister's are too

and the answer he came up with was
he is SAM
he is British
he has colored skin

and he is our son

that's what he chose that's what he is happy with

 

[mav]

Don’t forget Bats policy is not to delete posts, lock yes by all means but not delete.

I know for a fact from my old members list (real names) that there are offended members in this club right now who are biting there tongues.

Mav.

 

[Deleted account DD]

I know for a fact from my old members list (real names) that there are offended members in this club right now who are biting there tongues.

Mav.

Thank you Mav, when I posted the above I did wonder if I was fairly well alone in my thoughts or if people were keeping quiet.

People must understand that just because theyre not offended doesnt mean that its ok to use certain terminology or other expression.

The bottom line is that if anyone perceives anything racist has ocured, they can report it as an offence.

Quite rightly too.

 

[ern1e]

there was something on telly and in the paper about a chap ( from what county that i cant remember ) that owned a post office and he said he wouldnt serve anyone that spoke in a diff language while in the there and he was told he was being racist so at the end of the day its just not us that get called racist,

this sort of thing happens all over the world so we are not alone and just remember that and im not having a dig at anyone that has posted on this topic as we all have diff opinons on this so put up or shut up and thats my moaning done

 

[ssteve]

yes, i am now officaly racist and bloody pi**ed off, i have had to throw my daughter out on the street, write a letter explaining that i have thrown them out, then they phone me to comfirm again that i wrote the letter, they then phoned again and asked if i could keep them for 2 more days and they will sort out accomadation, today they had an emergency appointment, and have been sent 15 miles away in a hotel that is full of immigrants, also they dont drive so i have to take them there, now all the immigrants are housed in my area in NEW houses and FLATS, because as soon as they are offered a house/ flat they dont want, they say the interviewer is a racist, what a poxy joke, there is sixty new homes been built where my old school was, i bet no one there will speaks english.

foreigners in the housing office are offered drinks, not the bloody british people, if they complain they are told to leave, my wife has seen this first hand when she went with the daughter to make an appointment.

now is anybody going to tell me im wrong for being a racist, this is happening all over britain and it is WRONG we should look after our own first. :banghead



tezzer

got my vote

ssteve

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

so lets get this right.
im allowed to say not uk nationals. but i cant say not bloody british

in not female
im not black
im not gay
im not french


i am white
i am british
i am straight
i am male

whilst as you know i have often been on your side when these things come up.

and i have tried to defuse this thread for your benefit plank.

but you have to explain, how is saying "they are not bloody british" if they are not british
how on earth do you make that racist

example:
in not a banana, so how can that be offensive or discrimination . its not even anti fruit.
its just an explanation that i am not a banana

This is just silly, you see my point surley, its not the word you use its the sentence it is in and the way it is used that matters and i could turn all of the above round to be offensive and so im sure could you, you are missenterpriting and missing the point not me! and how is it helping? how is it defusing? answer its not mate sorry, so lets bury this now and move on :thumbs

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

hi plank, quote--as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?


when my daughter got married they were both working and could only get private rental, really wanted to buy their own house but could not get a mortage on their earnings, anyway paid the deposit and moved in, a loverly 2 bedroom flat, only a year old, daughter had a baby, and 6 montyhs later son in law lost his job because of cut backs and so they could'nt afford to stay there, the council would only pay a certain amount of the rent and when they used their savings they had to move in with the wife and me, signed on council books for a council house and was told it will 7-9 years before they would get a house of their own. after 6 months living with us we contacted CAB and was told the only way forward was to throw them out, i did ask around and found out this is a common practise, that has to be wrong, anyway while sil and daughter were in the council office a black family came in, went straight in because there was an interperter waiting to help with filling forms and they were given drinks, and that has to be wrong, so im sorry if you took offence about my posting but i have had agut full of the stupid system in this country. so thats why i had to throw them out, and i felt a right bastard for doing it mate.
but it worked and they have a 3 bedroom house privately rented, and the land lord is a diamond she dropped the rent so the council will pay the rent. AMEN

tezzer

Tezzer, im glad its worked out for you and yours, i was not offended by your post, in fact if you read the firt reply i make i suggested your opinion was valid and you were in fact not racist for expressing it! Its where it all went that was wrong! You have every right to be anoyed by an inadequate and unfair system! I just dont think there is any need for the thread to degenerate into some thing altogether different!

As daved said under the race ralatons amendment act a racist incident is defined by the perceptions of the recepient, in other words if some one complains then it is racism! it seem a bit over the top and in practice often is, for exaple people crying racism at the staff in offices when they dont get their own way. But, that is down to a badly worded law, and people doing what people do and taking advantage of it (whatever their origins!), just like the housing policies and benefits system. The way this was going where would it have ended up if i hadn't expressed my opinion? it was going down hill fast!!

 

[zippy656]

just like to put my 2p in here...

they can all be friends, so lets have fun.. SIT BACK. drink in hand and work out where we can have some mud plugging fun green laneing

 

[paulp]

i agree

the only "immigrants" i would be proud to be behind is the Ghurkas.

Lets give these guys and thre families what they deserve

 

[Deleted account DD]

jdrink in hand

Not allowed, no weekday drinking , only Friday and Saturdays

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

the only "immigrants" i would be proud to be behind is the Ghurkas.

Lets give these guys and thre families what they deserve

why them in particular? this is an odd subject from us the 'British' a nation of immigrants and their descendants who have had more allies and enemies and more invsions than perhaps any other country on earth! or is it as they are the ones most recently in the news? though to be honest i do agree with their claim.

My point wasnt about supporting or not supporting immigration or policy's allowing or dissalowing it but rather about challenging racist statments that have no place here. Most people once they realise they have offended apologise and move on as it is usual done unintetionaly and that is that.

But it is important to challenge racist statments otherwise these things just sink deeper and deeper and before you know it, arguments begin, people leave, and worse.

And as for policy descision by the government allowing this, how many of the people complaining voted for them? and have done for the last few elections!

It is time to leave this and move on now i think, perhaps we can tempt daved to break his weekday vow of abstenance and have a tipple as it is sunday night! :thumbs

 

[extreme-4x4]

the point is plank, yes it is down to government policy,
and where else in the world can you just turn up with nothing and expect to have everything else ( the luxuries if you like)that the rest of us have paid in for
ie free health service, freedom of speech, free government help when your in trouble.

this is something we have all paid in for (taxes) to create our safe society. and for centuries our countrymen fought in wars and gave their lives for us to enjoy our freedom .

so with this in mind i think its utterly disgusting that, i am not allowed to declare myself as british and those that are not not british
this is our country. and i for one will not surrender my rights

if our country was enduring the blitz today our country would be lost. because you would all be out there waving your white flags and surrendering.

our country is an island so therefor it is impossible to claim asilum here, because you would have to cross another countries border to get here. you can only claim asilum in your nearest safe country . thats a fact

now i dont object to our country taking our share of the people from around the world who need asilum. that would be a nice good thing to do.
however we are not playing on a level playing feild nor are we taking our share of asilum seekers. in fact we are taking the most
also if you are claiming asilum, you dont have a choice where you go . you go dirctly to your first safe country.

i dont object to people coming here immigration... thats fine if you can prove you can support yourself and your family... i cant just up sticks and go to australia the usa or even germany and when i turn up expect everything for free.

i expect to be homeless soon , due to the poor state of the construction industry and the massive influx of foreign nationals working here for next to nothing, they can afford to work for these stupid rates because they all share some house and dont have families here to support or they cheet the system.
so when i do become homeless. how many of you nice kind politicly correct people are going to open thair doors to me. when i turn up with my family
i will expect a roof over my head, heating and hot water. plenty of food on the table. oh and some pocket money will be handy too

i trust all of you people who dont mind giving my taxes to whoever wants it from weherever they are from. will kindly pm me your address or post it here. so i can expect my free ride............... or will you be discriminating against me.

 

[Liam]

Perhaps the Jersey model would be simpler? No dole whatsoever and medical benefits only kick in after 6 months, no local authority housing until you have been there for three years. So basically you need to have work before arriving or have a pile of money to tide you over for a few years. And don't you have to be there a minimum term of years before you can buy a property? My thinking about UK policy is that the Government felt an obligation to take care of the needs of the people living in the Empire and providing them with an opportunity to live and work in the UK if they wished to do so. However, they clearly didn't give the long term consequences a lot of thought and now are lumbered with a problem which is unsolvable without taking drastic measures, which EU law would prohibit as it would be against EU free movement policy. The term "as ye sow,so shall ye reap" comes to mind. If there was no British Empire, a lot of what is going on would not be an issue. It's kind of like the British Empire in reverse, foreign nationals realise they can profit by going to another country and milking it as much as they can and either settle there permanently and continue making more than they could in their own country or bugger off home after a time with bags of loot.

 

[rickydicky]

I don't think I am racist, but I do think I could be perceived as being racist and perception is the devils right hand man. I believe THIS government has made innocent non-racists question their beliefs. For instance, why do I have to pay for signs in surgeries , hospitals and post offices in a dozen different languages ? Why do I have to pay for the £100 million the government spend on translators for immigrants ? Why is there a perception that immigrants get to the top of the list for housing ? Why when I have to fill out a form there is no box for english/Scottish/NI/Welsh white male/female ? Why when an immigrant comes to this country he/she can go straight on the dole queue ? Why is English a minority language in our schools ? When I can afford to go on holiday abroad, I take money, a translation book, medical insurance and make sure I have a place to stay.

I don't blame anyone for wanting to come to his (sorry that should be this) country, I just blame THIS government for the lack of control. And finally, why when this country managed to defend it's borders through two world wars, there are an estimated 750,000 illegal immigrants in this country ?

 

[Liam]

Don't think it was the current Government that prevents English people having English as their nationality on their passports. Scottish can have Scottish,Welsh can have Welsh not sure about Northern Ireland,I know they can choose Irish or British, perhaps NI zippy can answer? Everyone else in the UK is British,correct?