Insult from a Land Rover owner!!

[kbekl]

thats very true most landy owners assume that as its a land rove they can drive it any where without a care for the conditions

as do some mav owners and deep water with no snorkal:
il get my coat:nenau

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

thats because i saw a disco go through and didnt realize the disco was lifted lol he didnt have a snorkel either.

also i didnt at the time realize the mav's air intake was right behind the indicator

if it wasnt their i would have been ok

but yes my inexperience showed that day :lol:lol

 

[lacroupade]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

thats because i saw a disco go through and didnt realize the disco was lifted lol he didnt have a snorkel either.

also i didnt at the time realize the mav's air intake was right behind the indicator

if it wasnt their i would have been ok

but yes my inexperience showed that day :lol:lol

that air intake is a problem. People sometimes diss the K&N induction kit, saying it would suck water in....well compared to a standard air intake that as you now know, is inside the wing, open to the elements, its no different whatsoever.....I've had bow waves over the bonnet when driving through floods, with no ill effects. And if water gets to the height that the filter sits at, well you'd be up to your tits in water inside the truck for gods sake!

 

[spiderpig37]

we all live and learn a few years ago i worked for a quarrying company and had a hilux pick up as a company vehicle it had manual hubs on it on my morning tour of the quarry doing my inspection i found kids had thrown the life ring into the flooded area of the dig in my wisdom i knew the water was not that deep so i drove in to retrieve the ring when one of the front wheels dropped into a rut that a dumper had left and water started to come in from the bottom of the doors selected 4wd and tried to reverse out but nothing.By now the water was well up in the cab so thought keep the engine running and radioed for the tractor to come and tow me out by time he had arrived the engine had died
After a £1200 for a new ecu that had got water in it i found out the manager had been in my truck before me and unlocked the hubs after i had locked them hence why i could not drive out:doh

 

[lacroupade]

we all live and learn a few years ago i worked for a quarrying company and had a hilux pick up as a company vehicle it had manual hubs on it on my morning tour of the quarry doing my inspection i found kids had thrown the life ring into the flooded area of the dig in my wisdom i knew the water was not that deep so i drove in to retrieve the ring when one of the front wheels dropped into a rut that a dumper had left and water started to come in from the bottom of the doors selected 4wd and tried to reverse out but nothing.By now the water was well up in the cab so thought keep the engine running and radioed for the tractor to come and tow me out by time he had arrived the engine had died
After a £1200 for a new ecu that had got water in it i found out the manager had been in my truck before me and unlocked the hubs after i had locked them hence why i could not drive out:doh

reminds me of my brother a few years ago....we were camping with two of my kids who were having a whale of a time in the rear bed while he (slowly) crossed a river ford a few times, except the last time it dug in and he hadn't switched the hubs and we couldn't get them to engage for love nor money.

You want to try jacking (with a normal low-slung jack!!!) a truck thats sat in a metre of murky water (so the kids are paddling in the pickup bed and having a hoot!) on a gravel river bed.....not funny. But we eventually got a couple of stones underneath and got her moving.....but anyone who mentions manual hubs to me gets the finger as a result LOL.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

the ultimate insult?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2005-Nissan-T...0?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item2eb1c7fac6

 

[kbekl]

the ultimate insult?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2005-Nissan-T...0?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item2eb1c7fac6

:jesterbg:jesterbg:jesterbg

 

[Muckypup]

Karl Karl Karl... tut tut tut, you dont half open yourself up to it at times

You drive a standard long wheel base Trooper... and are trying to take the mickey out of other 4x4's off road abilities...

Sorry did I mention you chose to drive a Trooper, for its off-road ability???

Ooooooops! :lol

As for an Escalade looking like a Cherokee, have you got a smudge on your glasses mate?
Yes they look like a Chrysler Nitro or similar, but I see absolutely no similarity to my G.C apart from its black, has blacked out windows and is driven by pimps!

As for anyone bragging about their Freelander... just remind them it has a Rover K series engine :lol

One thing in Land-Rover's defence, there aint many motors about that in standard form can stay with one in the shit. In fact I'll go as far as to say any vehicle with independant front suspension wont stand a chance! I think its that fact alone that brings about the snobbery, well that and the fact they have been producing 4x4s since 1948...
But then most landys snap a shaft or mash a diff at the sight of a difficult obstacle :doh
And another true fact, they have gone worse in the last ten years, big time! But will always have a cult following!

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

have One thing in Land-Rover's defence, there aint many motors about that in standard form can stay with one in the shit. In fact I'll go as far as to say any vehicle with independant front suspension wont stand a chance! QUOTE]

well, youve not seen many standard t2's v's standard landies in action then is all i can say! I once went to an off road day in a td T2 with 215 (virtualy bald) road tyres and even against modded landies (with experienced drivers) it was the only vehicle of the day to negotiate one of the muddy uphill runs!

Landies have been made in England since they were copied off jeeps in 1948 and that is the begining and end of the reasons why they are so pupular -FULL STOP! They are made in England and we are in England! the rest of the world over, where people have had a history of choice, Japannese 4x4's have allways been the vehicles of that choice!

At the end of the day it isn't rocket science, you make all the wheels driven by the engine you have a 4x4! I to like landies but just wouldn't pay the inflated price tag, or the cost of maintaining one!

I really do wish Lanrovers were 'all that' and could keep the imports at bay on all counts including value for money, but sadly they have just never been able to do it.

For years farmers being able to take parts off one to fix another etc. and sticking with what they know has helped them keep a foothold in the market, but - unfortunately - against competion from imports they just can't cut it

 

[kbekl]

Karl Karl Karl... tut tut tut, you dont half open yourself up to it at times

You drive a standard long wheel base Trooper... and are trying to take the mickey out of other 4x4's off road abilities...

Sorry did I mention you chose to drive a Trooper, for its off-road ability???

Ooooooops! :lol

As for an Escalade looking like a Cherokee, have you got a smudge on your glasses mate?
Yes they look like a Chrysler Nitro or similar, but I see absolutely no similarity to my G.C apart from its black, has blacked out windows and is driven by pimps!

As for anyone bragging about their Freelander... just remind them it has a Rover K series engine :lol

One thing in Land-Rover's defence, there aint many motors about that in standard form can stay with one in the shit. In fact I'll go as far as to say any vehicle with independant front suspension wont stand a chance! I think its that fact alone that brings about the snobbery, well that and the fact they have been producing 4x4s since 1948...
But then most landys snap a shaft or mash a diff at the sight of a difficult obstacle :doh
And another true fact, they have gone worse in the last ten years, big time! But will always have a cult following!

:lol:lol:lol

i find it difficult not to banter as you already know:thumb2

mine is no way 100% off roader i bought it as a 7 seater with the ability to drive round lanes lol

actually i havnt taken the mick out of any cars 4x4 ability on this thread yet



oh wait i did it was the escalade in white with the big bumper and the 23" wheels :lol

now you hit the nail on the head iwth the similarities lol they both are bling :thumbs

 

[lacroupade]

:lol:lol:lol

i find it difficult not to banter as you already know:thumb2

You wouldn't last five minutes on this site if you didn't LMAO!!

 

[alan hedges]

I was up at Aviemore last Thursday and Friday, pulled up alongside a Disco 3. Woman gets out the D3 and says "Oh could you park closer, someone might try and squeeze in there!", I sniggered and went up to the building to get lift pass etc. When I come back, the D3 owner is chatting to a fellow discovery owner whos pulled up the otherside of me with a snowplough attached to the front of it, and suprise suprise the bonnet was up. I hear the D3 guy saying hes had 4 Discos etc and would never own any Jap rubbish. Cheers guys!
Later on I come back and mr snowplough is chatting to another LR enthusiast who is talking to him about tyres while practically leaning against my NS Wing: "Yeah I like the mud terrain ones etc etc had General Grabbers but they're shit and just load up in the snow, oh look this ones got grabbers on- alright mate..?" looking at me. Again, Cheers.
Came back later on and an L200 had stuffed itself right between me and the D3, some sort of karma there.
Even my flat mate seems to think his 1986 Defender is the ultimate 4x4 despite the fact it starts, drives, handles and sounds like a tractor. When you weigh up the overall driving experience, LR's fall way short of the mark. First 4x4 I drove regularily was a D2 and I can happily say the Y61 Patrol GR out performs it in every aspect.

 

[lacroupade]

I was up at Aviemore last Thursday and Friday

Aviemore...ahhh happy days....in 1971 I fell in love with a bird in the chip shop while I was up there on an RAF outdoor training course....and I never even knew her name...<sigh>...

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Aviemore...ahhh happy days....in 1971 I fell in love with a bird in the chip shop while I was up there on an RAF outdoor training course....and I never even knew her name...<sigh>...

now that's the kind of posts this thread needs, more birds in chip shops and less land rovers - please!

 

[Muckypup]

PLANK - I'm sorry I still have to disagree!

I dont know how much off road experience or the type of Terrain you are used to but bring any modified T2 you like to Briercliffe and a completely showroom standard Defender 90 and the Land-Rover would trounce the T2... no independant suspension car will go through tight twisty off-road sections like a coil sprung live axle Defender.

I aint bigging them up here, i'm just stating that the terrain I play in is far more suited to live axle vehicles.

The only car that ever stood a chance of getting where my Sammy could get is a 90 or Range-Rover bob tail, indys simply do not have the cross-axle articulation capability.

I've owned several of both type, and I also took my Maverick to DRUMCLOG in September just gone. I do agree, they are suprisingly capable and much better than say a Frontera or Fourtrak - mine only had A/T's and coped with some seriously serious terrain. There is nothing less at Drumclog...

But the fact remains, independant suspension and a centrally located rear diff sure as hell restricts the vehicle's capability.
Nissan nearly got it right, had it been designed with a coil sprung live front axle and off-set diffs the T2 would have probably been one of the most capable vehicles around... but sadly this is not the case!

Also thanks for the compliment :thumbs

JEEP - original and best

 

[lacroupade]

PLANK - I'm sorry I still have to disagree!

I dont know how much off road experience or the type of Terrain you are used to but bring any modified T2 you like to Briercliffe and a completely showroom standard Defender 90 and the Land-Rover would trounce the T2... no independant suspension car will go through tight twisty off-road sections like a coil sprung live axle Defender.

I aint bigging them up here, i'm just stating that the terrain I play in is far more suited to live axle vehicles.

The only car that ever stood a chance of getting where my Sammy could get is a 90 or Range-Rover bob tail, indys simply do not have the cross-axle articulation capability.

I've owned several of both type, and I also took my Maverick to DRUMCLOG in September just gone. I do agree, they are suprisingly capable and much better than say a Frontera or Fourtrak - mine only had A/T's and coped with some seriously serious terrain. There is nothing less at Drumclog...

But the fact remains, independant suspension and a centrally located rear diff sure as hell restricts the vehicle's capability.
Nissan nearly got it right, had it been designed with a coil sprung live front axle and off-set diffs the T2 would have probably been one of the most capable vehicles around... but sadly this is not the case!

Also thanks for the compliment :thumbs

JEEP - original and best

BUT and its a BIG BUT, the Landy is designed with minimal regard for on-road use....its effectively a road-going tractor, so of course its going to outperform vehicles equipped with independent suspension in seriously rough work. But then we can drive to and from the play site twice as fast as the Landy and in a lot more comfort (in fact in the Landys case, even getting home again is often in doubt!).......what I'm saying is its wrong to compare just one aspect of a vehicles performance, and when you look at the bigger picture, vehicles like the T2 (and even, god help me, Timmy Trooper) offer the best all-round reliability, on and offroad capability and driveability.

Anyway, about that bird in the chip shop....what a stonking pair of knockers she had.....:augie

 

[Muckypup]

Oh I agree! Landys are awful on road... They were designed to be utilitairian, where as the T2 a road car with occasional use on a wet field!

Saying that have you driven a new Puma engined 90 on the road? I have and was quite impressed, but they are so unreliable they make the old ones look good

The point I was trying to make is about Planks statement -
"well you havent seen many standard T2s V landys in action"

Actually I have, and i've driven both over extreme terrain and owned a T2 which was given serious off-road abuse... No T2 has the capabilities of a standard 90 off-road, they just aint designed for it!

But then no 90 has the capabilities and comfort of a T2 on the road...

But hey were talking about in the shit now, off-road capabilities! If we cared how our cars drove on the road we would not fit bigger tyres and suspension lifts

 

[kbekl]

BUT and its a BIG BUT, the Landy is designed with minimal regard for on-road use....its effectively a road-going tractor, so of course its going to outperform vehicles equipped with independent suspension in seriously rough work. But then we can drive to and from the play site twice as fast as the Landy and in a lot more comfort (in fact in the Landys case, even getting home again is often in doubt!).......what I'm saying is its wrong to compare just one aspect of a vehicles performance, and when you look at the bigger picture, vehicles like the T2 (and even, god help me, Timmy Trooper) offer the best all-round reliability, on and offroad capability and driveability.

Anyway, about that bird in the chip shop....what a stonking pair of knockers she had.....:augie

:lol:lol:lol:lol

just for that here

oh you meant

 

[kbekl]

Oh I agree! Landys are awful on road... They were designed to be utilitairian, where as the T2 a road car with occasional use on a wet field!

Saying that have you driven a new Puma engined 90 on the road? I have and was quite impressed, but they are so unreliable they make the old ones look good

The point I was trying to make is about Planks statement -
"well you havent seen many standard T2s V landys in action"

Actually I have, and i've driven both over extreme terrain and owned a T2 which was given serious off-road abuse... No T2 has the capabilities of a standard 90 off-road, they just aint designed for it!

But then no 90 has the capabilities and comfort of a T2 on the road...

But hey were talking about in the shit now, off-road capabilities! If we cared how our cars drove on the road we would not fit bigger tyres and suspension lifts

or remove anti roll bars

tell you what i need in mine tho is a air suspension seat like they have in the trucks altho it might get a bit bouncy down the lanes :lol:lol

the t2's worst design fault is the location of the air intake never seen a 4x4 (other than nissans) with their air in take directly behind the indicator, i did check that out when i was looking for a new one :doh

 

[lacroupade]

or remove anti roll bars

tell you what i need in mine tho is a air suspension seat like they have in the trucks altho it might get a bit bouncy down the lanes :lol:lol

the t2's worst design fault is the location of the air intake never seen a 4x4 (other than nissans) with their air in take directly behind the indicator, i did check that out when i was looking for a new one :doh

Mmmm, bit of salt 'n vinegar on her please!!!

But then position of the air intake is just one issue.....you have to assume that electrical protection is up to scratch; the T2s cable connections are pretty good in that respect but it only wants one dodgy one, or poor protection on another vehicle, and all the snorkels in the world won't stop you stalling in the drink :augie

 

[kbekl]

Mmmm, bit of salt 'n vinegar on her please!!!

But then position of the air intake is just one issue.....you have to assume that electrical protection is up to scratch; the T2s cable connections are pretty good in that respect but it only wants one dodgy one, or poor protection on another vehicle, and all the snorkels in the world won't stop you stalling in the drink :augie

not really thinking about wading as such even if you drop into a puddle going slowly and their is a dip one side and it is a bit too close to the indicator

i thought looking at the intake from under the bonnet it was recessed away from the indicator as it makes you think it is with the shape and that circular lump that sits in the hole lol

other than that it would have been ok but wasnt to be

probably find a new way to break the isuzu next :lol:lol