Insult from a Land Rover owner!!

[lacroupade]

not really thinking about wading as such even if you drop into a puddle going slowly and their is a dip one side and it is a bit too close to the indicator

i thought looking at the intake from under the bonnet it was recessed away from the indicator as it makes you think it is with the shape and that circular lump that sits in the hole lol

other than that it would have been ok but wasnt to be

probably find a new way to break the isuzu next :lol:lol

bah just think of it as pushing the frontiers.....just like Star Trek! I bet you even look like Worf?? :lol:lol:lol:lol

 

[briggie]

been " wading " in the bighorn yet karl ?

 

[Muckypup]

Karl - removing the anti-roll bars still wont give you the cross articulation of a pair of coil sprung live axles, plus it will put the cv joints under enormous pressure and make the shafts run at too acute angles for them to cope especially if the suspension is lifted.
Plus keep in mind every inch you wind the torsion bars up its one less inch of downwards artic you have which results in lifted wheels and less traction.

I want to make myself a real budget trials machine, but it has to be real cheap. All i'm finding is Vitaras (smash cvs for fun) Sportraks (shite) the odd SJ (been there done that fancy a change) and a few other budget 4x4s that unfortunately run on leaves or have mickey mouse mcphearson independant front suspension.
Closest I can find to what I want is a Jimny but they are out of my price range and have very weak drivetrains, nothing like the Samurais drive train.

So the thought of buying a real cheap swb T2 to cut to pieces has crossed my mind... everyone says they are so capable on here, and aparently if you lift them there is still some downwards artic to play with etc etc

Yet when I speak to the trailling club and anyone who knows anything about trailling the thought of a T2 trying to get around a course they set out is absolutely beyond belief... and to be fair after owning a T2 (well maverick) and doing trails set out by NCORTC I wouldnt really want to put my money into something I aint confident will do the job

So i'm still on the hunt for my cheapo trials monster...

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Muckypup, we could go round in cricles with this forever, and you will never see my point and - to be fair - i can't be bothered to argue, whish i'd never started, you win landies are the dogs doo dahs and can do anything and more! all praise the green oval, but excuse me for not rushing out to buy one :augie

odd but it reminds me aof a chalenge camera man thre down years ago, no unmodded jap can do stanage, then we posted you tube clips of all sorts doing just that!

But to save more wasted key strokes 'all hail the green oval'

 

[kbekl]

them jimny's are a real good option but as you say they tend to be high on price lol

we was talking about swb's in general last night and how they are not always the best option due to stability when going over high rough stuff as the second you get the front wheels over the obstacle the back wheels are almost their and if you have anoher drop in front can make some serious brown trouser moments according to howard (i aint got a clue never been in a swb)

have you though about taking a ifs and fitting a live axel as that can be done with a little modding also think a rotted part itme 4x4 is easily obtained ohi have a pic for you mate

 

[kbekl]

Muckypup, we could go round in cricles with this forever, and you will never see my point and - to be fair - i can't be bothered to argue, whish i'd never started, you win landies are the dogs doo dahs and can do anything and more! all praise the green oval, but excuse me for not rushing out to buy one :augie

odd but it reminds me aof a chalenge camera man thre down years ago, no unmodded jap can do stanage, then we posted you tube clips of all sorts doing just that!

But to save more wasted key strokes 'all hail the green oval'

i dont understand where you are coming from here and dont want to argue over this

an unmodded t2 hasnt got the hight at the diff a land rover or jeep has as standard which makes traversing obstacles difficult

but i will maintain that any 4x4 will do most things with a little work

pete yes mate have been wading in the Isuzu, but the air intake is well out the way mate.

lacroupade, now now me going bold is down to my grandad and i cirtainly dont have a vag on my fod :lol:lol:lol, also a penis can be seen when i am about to be daft :doh:lol:lol:lol

 

[Muckypup]

Muckypup, we could go round in cricles with this forever, and you will never see my point and - to be fair - i can't be bothered to argue, whish i'd never started, you win landies are the dogs doo dahs and can do anything and more! all praise the green oval, but excuse me for not rushing out to buy one :augie

odd but it reminds me aof a chalenge camera man thre down years ago, no unmodded jap can do stanage, then we posted you tube clips of all sorts doing just that!

But to save more wasted key strokes 'all hail the green oval'

Have you read anything I put LOL I aint trying to argue... to quote my own words -

"I aint bigging them up here, i'm just stating that the terrain I play in is far more suited to live axle vehicles"

I aint a Land-Rover fan, have never owned one and probably wont... i'm stating facts about terrain and vehicle's capabilities! If you honestly think your T2 can go where a live axle vehicle can go then thats your opinion and it must be based on the terrain you are used to driving...

NEVER WILL I HAIL A GREEN OVAL (apart from a bowler... :sly)

KARL - Jimnys drive train aint up to trailling in standard form or i'd already be saving for one! If they were simply a Samurai with coil springs i'd have one over the G.C! But unfortunately their axles and shafts are like match sticks compared to the Samurais, thats why i've ruled one out. They break like Land-Rovers...

As for fitting a live axles on a IFS, we've done it with Webbers Vitara. It was lifted and no matter what we came up with it would not stop smashing CVs at Briercliffe. The moment a wheel touched a piece of stone BANG and it would smash. Every single time.
Fitted a Samurai live axle to it and maaaaaan its good. But it still breaks a lot. Out of 3 days at Drumclog it managed an hours playing... and that was on the last day after spending all weekend in the pits making several large repairs. (it broke first day first obstacle)
Thats why i've completely ruled out a Vitara, they cant take big wheels and or a suspension lift.
Also the only way we have managed to get any play time out of the live axle vitara is by welding the front diff up, it seems to be ok now as it does not spin up when it lifts a wheel (when it touched ground whilst spinning it smashed parts)
Open diffs only in competetive trials so that rules that one out. Plus if they were allowed it simply cant negotiate the tight bends of a trial, huge turning circle now.

Thought about a Diahatsu, but i've known one of the most extreme diahatsus in the country for a few years now... they are useless when lifted on side slopes. Steve's from NW4X4 is legendary... but unfortunately couldnt go where my sammy could in Briercliffe and similar sites, far too top heavy.

When I refer to live axles having good cross artic this is what I mean...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQm9xIYq7cg

Those wheels are 33" no IFS can get artic like that on 33's!


And this is why I dont want a fourtrak, i've driven that slope tons of times without the slightest worry....

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i dont understand where you are coming from here

job done!

 

[Muckypup]

we was talking about swb's in general last night and how they are not always the best option due to stability when going over high rough stuff as the second you get the front wheels over the obstacle the back wheels are almost their and if you have anoher drop in front can make some serious brown trouser moments according to howard (i aint got a clue never been in a swb)

They say 100" wheelbase is the best for off-road use. Range Rover, Discovery and I think swb Troopers are 100". I also think LWB T2's are just over that.
A lot of trials and comp safari blokes now use disco/rangey chassis exactly for that reason, but of course use majorly uprated axle components.

One thing I did notice about my Mav was because of the longer wheel base in some circumstances the longer wheel base really did help, but then no long wheel base can cope with really tight twisty trial type terrain.
LWB's do have a habit of catching their underside when tackling a sharp slope. Approach and leaving angles aint too good either, hence you kept scraping your Mav's towbar

 

[kbekl]

They say 100" wheelbase is the best for off-road use. Range Rover, Discovery and I think swb Troopers are 100". I also think LWB T2's are just over that.
A lot of trials and comp safari blokes now use disco/rangey chassis exactly for that reason, but of course use majorly uprated axle components.

One thing I did notice about my Mav was because of the longer wheel base in some circumstances the longer wheel base really did help, but then no long wheel base can cope with really tight twisty trial type terrain.
LWB's do have a habit of catching their underside when tackling a sharp slope. Approach and leaving angles aint too good either, hence you kept scraping your Mav's towbar

thats cause i had a sodding great stabilizer on it lol but i know what you mean

had a thought about the trials machine for you and they can be cheap and can go places that some 4x4's struggle as proved on here befor now

but they need to be raised a little lol
and may not be th most attractive off roader

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

a lovely lada! if i remember correctly a 1600 petrol that does about 16 to the gallon

i think that fuel consumption was their biggest downfall!

 

[Muckypup]

Mate your spot on the money there! One of the most capable 4x4's in standard form ever available! Coil sprung all round! :thumb2

Trouble is where do you find a cheap one and I believe parts aint so readilly available

One thing is sure, when your into trialling you will eventually break something no matter what truck it is, which is why there has to be plenty of spares to hand. Most breakers I can get to in less than an hour probably dont have a thing for these available.
Many times mid event we've done a parts run and fixed the truck at the scene then got it back up and running again. That has to be kept in mind to a certain extent, but then there is nothing wrong with building up a spares collection of your own! I still have a garage full of Samurai spares I never needed... several diffs, shafts, axles etc etc, should have sold them for xmas funds

 

[Muckypup]

a lovely lada! if i remember correctly a 1600 petrol that does about 16 to the gallon

i think that fuel consumption was their biggest downfall!

Deffo! they did a 1500 in the first ones then went up to 1600, both thirsty.

The 1.7i they replaced those with was a little better and faster too!

 

[tezzer]

a lovely lada! if i remember correctly a 1600 petrol that does about 16 to the gallon

i think that fuel consumption was their biggest downfall!

yep. about 16-18, but throw away the Russian weber and fit a carb from a 1600 cross flow and mpg will increase to 22mpg around town and 28-30mpg on a run, or better still fit a ford ohc cam engine 16 or 20lt and the transmission will take all the abuse you throw at it. :thumbs

 

[kbekl]

Mate your spot on the money there! One of the most capable 4x4's in standard form ever available! Coil sprung all round! :thumb2

Trouble is where do you find a cheap one and I believe parts aint so readilly available

One thing is sure, when your into trialling you will eventually break something no matter what truck it is, which is why there has to be plenty of spares to hand. Most breakers I can get to in less than an hour probably dont have a thing for these available.
Many times mid event we've done a parts run and fixed the truck at the scene then got it back up and running again. That has to be kept in mind to a certain extent, but then there is nothing wrong with building up a spares collection of your own! I still have a garage full of Samurai spares I never needed... several diffs, shafts, axles etc etc, should have sold them for xmas funds

http://www.lada.co.uk/
do a conversion to derv

Motor & Diesel Engineering (Anglia) Ltd. have jointly developed with Peugot and Lada France a right-hand drive diesel Lada Niva.

This offers the joint benefits of a rugged 4x4 with the reliability, economy and longevity of a well-proven Peugot Diesel engine.

The approved conversion can be done at M&D by our highly skilled staff. Just simply bring your Niva to us, and let us do the rest.

Alternatively, we can simply supply the parts and you can do the job yourself with your own Peugot engine, or with a brand-new XUD 1.9 engine from us.

Contact us direct at the above numbers to discuss prices and options.

 

[Muckypup]

You cant pick up a replacement diff for a fiver i bet tho :thumbs

 

[kbekl]

probably not

you is best of with a sammy then lol

 

[Muckypup]

But I got bored of my Sammy never getting stuck! :lol

The sad truth is that was one hell of a machine and I should have never let it go, but needs must! It was absolutely perfect for trialling cos of the parabolic springs I fitted, it had a lot of flex for a samurai considering it didnt have a spring over conversion or anything that would affect its handling.

But everyone has trialled a Sammy, I really do fancy trying something different and thats why i'm struggling for ideas. What can you get as capable for the money...
short answer - NOTHING!

 

[kbekl]

why not make a trials motor or try a wrangler chassis

or why not get a cherry chassis and cut it down to size

 

[Muckypup]

expense mate! If I could afford it i'd just buy a wrangler, my mate Tristan is building an awesome one at the moment thats running Unimog axles

I'm talking really cheap, donor car for a few hundred quid. Then with minimal expense improve articulation and suspension travel (with lots of body cut off too!) and throw some huuuuuge tyres on for diff clearence. May have to look at lower gearing too which is cheap for some motors but stupid for others...

All the time i'm being pointed right back at the good old SJ, not much else to choose from