fun social group now closed.... sorry

[extreme-4x4]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

as bat pointed out having an area to take the piss out of other members is not a clever thing to do

that was not the intention nor was it used in that way in its 24hr lifespan

the social group was made up at willows request to

1 post funny videos
2 tell funny rude naughty jokes (offensive ones) but funny
3 discuss not so legal things like running on kerro
4 discuss options to keep our lanes open in wales... more than likely not legal either

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

it was to discuss stuff some people might find offensive or pushing the boundaries a little, and discuss ways of standing up for our rights

it was invite only for these reasons
we have members who are police ( nice people ) but if you want to discuss protests and stuff you dont discuss it with police do you
this was the same for glass and crag members . cos they wouldn't approve either.
and how many times have we said a joke or statement that someone has found offensive.

we just wanted to discuss things post videos etc in a place that would not be available for the greenies or anti 4x4 people to use as propaganda against the club

anyway its gone now

 

[nejones]

Seems like you need to set up your own website to have the freedom to discuss the 'not so legal' things that you want to discuss.

And then you'd be free to take the .... out of anyone you wanted to.

 

[Deleted account DD]

Quite subversive really. I had no idea this "secret society" existed within the 4x4 club/site and to be honest if its a quasi official part of it it takes the shine off the site a little

Having previously been a member of a site and the secret little section within it, it doesnt work, it will trash the site. A web site has to to do the most for the most or it will die.

On a slight aside preconcepts based on stereotyping are rarely accurate :doh think about it.

 

[Deleted account DD]

the social group was made up at willows request to


3 discuss not so legal things like running on kerro
4 discuss options to keep our lanes open in wales... more than likely not legal either

Is that appropriate for a moderator to be running or advocating on a public site, setting an example etc

 

[extreme-4x4]

what so because im green, im not allowed an opinion ?
the boss can have it back anytime he sees fit,
i joined and paid up cos i wanted to join a group, im not here to suck up or do things the way im told..... im a free

so if they close the lanes to traffic we cant cycle in and lock the gates to inconvenience the ones who stop us
maybe picket entries to lanes to cause councils problems


running on kerro is ok if you pay the duty on it

anyway i did try to discuss it out of the way. that was a bad idea so its here now

 

[Deleted account DD]

No one , least of all me, said you weren't allowed an opinion.

What I alluded to is that a moderator is supposed to set the standards.

You can argue the nuances of what you put as long as you want, but it was you who indicated unlawful activities could be discussed. Its there in black and white as one of the reasons for the secret squirrel section existing.

I would suggest for the better being of the site you take anything thats past potentially objectionable to pm & email.

If you want to "push the boundaries" lawfully and morally change the site so certain threads are only visible to paid up members who agree to the terms and conditions. I for one am quite capable of ignoring threads I dont like. That's very very easy to administrate. I can see why for example mods would have their own section to help run the site. I'd be surprised if that's not already in place.

At the end of the day is this a 4x4 and technical site we've paid our dosh for or a Kerro burning Bridleway commando anarchists haven

Believe you me however secret your section info leaks and shit sticks :thumb2

 

[Liam]

What I alluded to is that a moderator is supposed to set the standards.

Is it not the moderator's job to apply the standards,not set them? If all moderators set standards there would surely be a possibility of many different standards being applied. I believe the site standards should be set by the owner i.e. Bat21 , and then be applied equally by all site moderators. That would be fair.

 

[extreme-4x4]

dave thats why they wanted to use one of those private rooms provided by the boss when he set up the new site.
they have been there all the time ....just no one used them

it was put out of peoples way so as not to offend. within the rules of the club

also i see no harm in discussing peaceful protests even less peaceful if it gets heard....... or using kero if you pay the duty

the fact that the boss made me a mod is his choice. im not fussed either way. but im not here to lead by example or tell people what to do or think or even write. its there club not mine or any other mods

if someone is being picked on or bullied ill intervene or some one is posting offensive stuff, but that's it the rules as i understand them are very simple

let people discuss what they like. just no nasty stuff or bullying

as a mod im only here to monitor the site for bad stuff to help the boss im not here to run it for him or tell anyone what to do.
so being green means im as equal to you or anyone.
it just means i spend the time to read everything to make sure everyone feels safe and happy

everyone is equal here

 

[Deleted account DD]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

Is it not the moderator's job to apply the standards,not set them? If all moderators set standards there would surely be a possibility of many different standards being applied. I believe the site standards should be set by the owner i.e. Bat21 , and then be applied equally by all site moderators. That would be fair.

Good points but the argument so far is full of contradictions.

The original post suggests decision making or involvment by extreme in that process. Therefore the mods on here can be clearly seen to be doing more than blindly following instructions.

What you say pajo is correct but stops short of the point I was making.

If you want an analogy to back up your point though , as extreme is so fond of his local cops , here goes

The Site Administrator makes the rules (ie is the statutory body and sets the standards...the government)

They set those standards (sometimes in consultation) and then look to someone to ensure they are followed ie in the real world or on here to use a term ...to "Police" (using the word in its purest sense) the scene. On here those policing are known as moderators

In the real world anyone policing any situation has to be above criticism and avoid becoming embroiled in the politics or arguments of the situation. They must stand off a little and be more objective. Unless you're looking at developing an anarchists site as opposed to 4x4 they must also be morally and lawfully beyond reproach.

I'll refer you again to the comments regarding "not so legal matters" its there in black and white however often extreme repeatedly argues the nuances .

Extreme wants his freedom, fine , but the more responsibilities you take on the more they are reduced. Moderating is a responsibility which requires policing of the site. Police a situation and those freedoms start to contract significantly within that arena :thumb2



ps thats why I'd never get to be a mod, I'm too stroppy :lol

 

[zippy]

the only problem I have is that I would like to see the posts on running on kero

 

[Deleted account DD]

the only problem I have is that I would like to see the posts on running on kero

:lol:lol:lol:lol

 

[lacroupade]

ps thats why I'd never get to be a mod, I'm too stroppy :lol

Triple:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol!! LMAO!

 

[lacroupade]

I'm going to say it because we're all getting a bit carried away - and I've said it before.

This is a privately-owned pay-to-view website, so frankly it doesn't matter a jot what anyone says about anything or what anyone does. The one and only arbiter of good taste is the person who owns the website and collects the subscriptions. The Mods can only do what he tells them to do, and act in the way he tells them to act.

If that weren't enough, this is t'interweb remember; anarchy rules whether you like it or not.:thumbs

There are no other rules, period.:nenau

 

[Deleted account DD]

Agreed.

I've previously been deeply involved in many sites but 2 in particular spring to mind. One as a mod and one as a founding member & member of secret area :naughty

Both went horrendously wrong, loads of reasons but not least I didnt practice what I'm preaching here.

There arent many rules but if you go against what some would describe as "normal" behaviour & standards, you'll sink if they choose to torpedo you , its just the way it works

 

[lacroupade]

Quite right Dave - the 'rules' if there are any are only moral, and since there are no other rules, when you break those you have to take whatever comes as a result, its the price of sticking your head above the parapet....and fair play to those that do!!

As the saying goes, "the man who never did anything wrong, probably never did anything".....

Still, never a dull moment eh?!:lol

 

[extreme-4x4]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

well only one can open it and close it... it was a joint idea. but only one could press the buttons ....... stupidly that was me

so i shall consider myself torpedoed

if you remember, when bat took over he told everyone the site is not to be policed as such. and the mods dont police like they used to

personally i think the site works better this way.

 

[lacroupade]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

well only one can open it and close it... it was a joint idea. but only one could press the buttons ....... stupidly that was me

so i shall consider myself torpedoed

if you remember, when bat took over he told everyone the site is not to be policed as such. and the mods dont police like they used to

personally i think the site works better this way.

you don't need that to take the piss out of me mate!:lol:lol:lol

 

[Deleted account DD]

I go entirely with what admin wants, its their right and wish. However there are two site I am a member of that people form my line of work frequent (personally I avoid the work bits and go into the social and silly parts but hey:augie)

One is very strictly moderated. One is supposed to be almost self moderated.

I think you know which one I'm going to tell you is thriving and which self moderating one isnt honest, that no bullshit.

Both sites started out equally a few years back but the self moderating one is now dominated by a peurile clique (which I'll cough to being a a member of before becoming disillusioned with ) now led by a couple of top quality bullies and a dodgy opinionated mod. Theyre struggling big time

The other is strictly moderated and thriving. Theyre doing the most for the most and if some people walk or get booted. Tough.

I suspect this site falls in between those two.

Takes time though to level out.

I wouldnt have believed it tbh if someone had told me but in the very best almost evangelical sense I've seen it with my own eyes :bow

:thumb2

 

[Deleted account DD]

so i shall consider myself torpedoed

Not remotely :thumb2

 

[ern1e]

if you remember, when bat took over he told everyone the site is not to be policed as such. and the mods dont police like they used to

personally i think the site works better this way.

so your saying that the other site was run in a bad way i cant recall that you saying anything about the old site being run in a way you didnt like,

there bits on this site that can be sorted out that i have taken notes of and i will be posting about them soon.