fuel strike ..... your views ?

[(RIP) PLANK]

its absolutly nuts! personally I think if u smoke, drink or are obese u should pay your own medical bill if it is related causes, i.e. type 2 diabetes cos ur obese, liver disese cos u drink or lung cancer cos u smoke. but thats my opinion.

I have to disagree on this view, many of the things you mention are socially created issues for example smoking. The government condoned it and encouraged it for decades, then ignored it for a few more. The present approach of tax and targeted campaigns seems to be paying off - a slow process but it has to be encouraged the way it was encouraged.

That was an easy example but here are many underlying social conditioning variables to many issues that need to be tackled not just 'it's your own fault so tough' and the government does seem to be working on reversing the process with measures against fast food and tax. Maybe the measures are wrong, maybe they won't work, but they have to start somewhere and victim blaming isn't it :thumb2

 

[makeitfit]

Agreed , why the hell should NHS have to do boob jobs free aswell, AND put right all the bloody french silicone jobs ffs :doh

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Agreed , why the hell should NHS have to do boob jobs free aswell, AND put right all the bloody french silicone jobs ffs :doh

to an extent the media conditioning of women gives rise to the need for cosmetic enhancements, but it has been a much shorter process and never supported by the government so on that one I agree. OK so if a woman needs a boob job for health reasons then yes. But why we should foot the bill for private practitioners cock ups I don't know :nenau

 

[spinna]

I dont use my trol at all at moment, the tax is due end of week, insurance due in couple of weeks. Unless i sort something out our Nice new to us tintent wont be goin anywhere this year cus our little astra that does 50mpg and has only costs £30 a year to tax would't pull the skin of a rice pudding.

I do understand the fossil fuel problem but believe it will be some time until there is an alternative capable of our needs and at cost that people in the real world can afford. My trol and astra only do about 12000 miles per year between them and our cash situation is suffering so can only imagine how others are coping.

 

[solarman216]

Now we are getting the inevitable panic buying, cant say I am that bothered, if I cant get fuel I will stay at home, Rick

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

I do enjoy a good panic buy, I'm off to get 12 loaves of bread and a box of candles for when the power goes off :thumb2

seriously, could this be a con? are the government planning to put the price down next week and so they are making sure we all get a tank full of overpriced stuff at the last minute?

 

[firebobby]

Yep,they are at it here as well, village garage had a nice snake of cars all the way down the road..RUN FOR THE HILLS

 

[arcascomp]

Hmmm, must pop in to Makro and buy up some veg oil tomorrow, hope they have two tills running, wouldn't want to have to queue now!

 

[melissachels]

I have to disagree on this view, many of the things you mention are socially created issues for example smoking. The government condoned it and encouraged it for decades, then ignored it for a few more. The present approach of tax and targeted campaigns seems to be paying off - a slow process but it has to be encouraged the way it was encouraged.

That was an easy example but here are many underlying social conditioning variables to many issues that need to be tackled not just 'it's your own fault so tough' and the government does seem to be working on reversing the process with measures against fast food and tax. Maybe the measures are wrong, maybe they won't work, but they have to start somewhere and victim blaming isn't it :thumb2

I am well aware of the manty social issues that often involved these habits, i grew up in some of the worst/poorist bits of glasgow where lots of people lived on benefits, parents with drug habits, drink habits ect (blinker's defo not on by some upper class idiot). living on benefits is hard (but not impossible) expecially with kids but is more than doable if ur sensible and don't but stuff u don't need (I know cos i've done it), the goverment aren't supposed to supply money for luxurys like junk food, landline, internet, mobiles, laptops ect ect ect! u want them go work for them! ur benefits are purely for the basics food, electricity, clothing. NO PETS, NO GADGETS,

not saying that living this was doesn't depress u or belittle you cos it certainly does but no1 but urself can make it better for you n ur family but U.

its not victimising any1 just saying that just cos ur parents done it doesn't mean u have to, every child gets to go to school, colleges run standard grade/higher or gcse courses for any1 to better themselves, apprentiships ect so it is completly up to the individual to got off they're a**e n change they're live.

as for the smoking, drinking ect no1 forced it down they're throats (with the exception of a few) so y should it be paid for on the nhs? Boob jobs totally not unless it is a reduction because they causes back problem due to sheer size!

I SMOKE!

I do agree tho that the goverment did condone it for yrs b4 the heatlh issues were found out about, but we have known about them for decades now, thing like the messages on fag packets and pictures are a waste of money in most cases u smoke the fags not look at the packet (plus ur hand covers it if your holding the packet :lol) but at the same time they are not gonna ban them as they earn way too much tax on them (fags, booze & fast food) catch 22 yet again

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

I am well aware of the manty social issues that often involved these habits, i grew up in some of the worst/poorist bits of glasgow where lots of people lived on benefits, parents with drug habits, drink habits ect (blinker's defo not on by some upper class idiot). living on benefits is hard (but not impossible) expecially with kids but is more than doable if ur sensible and don't but stuff u don't need (I know cos i've done it), the goverment aren't supposed to supply money for luxurys like junk food, landline, internet, mobiles, laptops ect ect ect! u want them go work for them! ur benefits are purely for the basics food, electricity, clothing. NO PETS, NO GADGETS,

not saying that living this was doesn't depress u or belittle you cos it certainly does but no1 but urself can make it better for you n ur family but U.

its not victimising any1 just saying that just cos ur parents done it doesn't mean u have to, every child gets to go to school, colleges run standard grade/higher or gcse courses for any1 to better themselves, apprentiships ect so it is completly up to the individual to got off they're a**e n change they're live.

as for the smoking, drinking ect no1 forced it down they're throats (with the exception of a few) so y should it be paid for on the nhs? Boob jobs totally not unless it is a reduction because they causes back problem due to sheer size!

I SMOKE!

I do agree tho that the goverment did condone it for yrs b4 the heatlh issues were found out about, but we have known about them for decades now, thing like the messages on fag packets and pictures are a waste of money in most cases u smoke the fags not look at the packet (plus ur hand covers it if your holding the packet :lol) but at the same time they are not gonna ban them as they earn way too much tax on them (fags, booze & fast food) catch 22 yet again

As i said I can't agree with your point of view. I won't go on about it as I can see it is upsetting you and of course none of this has anything to do with the fuel strike. :thumb2

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

this could be the fuel strike boycot been waiting for,

if everyone panic buys all they can, stocks run out, then
tankers stop, bingo.

lets not blame tankers doing us a favour, just bad timing,
or good as we head for easter holidays as fuel demand
increases but might spoil trips away.

think of them joining the protest fight.

 

[briggie]

ok , lets make this debate interesting .........

at what point cost wise would you NOT buy fuel and say enough is enough and either give up driving or look at alternatives ?:nenau

 

[fridgman]

I can't stop driving completely but I have already cut it down to a bare minimum as it is already more than I bear to pay! Now considering building a bio plant in the garage as an alternative!

 

[makeitfit]

Likewise, bio is the way forward for a while. Trouble is getting enough waste oil regularly.
Catering businesses are more and more obliged to return their waste oil to their suppliers or loose out on trade discounts. Another way of the Govt stopping cheap alternative fuels and thus reduced revenue.
Call me Max, fooking Mad Max :sly

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

this could be the fuel strike boycot been waiting for,

if everyone panic buys all they can, stocks run out, then
tankers stop, bingo.

lets not blame tankers doing us a favour, just bad timing,
or good as we head for easter holidays as fuel demand
increases but might spoil trips away.

think of them joining the protest fight.

like i said 'bluddy communists' :augie

In reply to Briggie, I think a lot of us already have said enough is enough. The cost of fuel has had a major impact on my lifestyle already and is continuing to do so. I contemplate moving away from my T2 on an almost daily basis, the move is inevitable it's just a matter of when :nenau

 

[geoffdown]

Well crediton and exeter in devon r running v.low on fuel now thanks government for panic buying so will just have to use 100% new veg oil at just 93p a litre:thumbs

 

[makeitfit]

I'm alright jack, got about 1500 litres left :sly
However I did notice last night that Tesco had no veggie oil at all on the shelf, except the ponsy cooking ones in phallic bottles :lol
The up side of all this though is there'll be less bloody ....................... sorry wont say it
No but 4x4 prices will be tumbling so I can buy a better one for less

 

[stinka]

Can I mix diesel and vegetable oil in same tank ? Will one sit on top of the other ?

 

[makeitfit]

Mix it and go :thumbs Before going bio I ran neat veggie no probs but not in the winter. So I'd suggest 25% diesel 75% veggie :sly

 

[stinka]

It won't fk my TDI pump up then ?

Guess I'll just change the oil a bit more regular