CAUTION ref. SUNFLOWER OIL.!

[Adz]

Finish it were it starts buddy :thumbs

I've had plenty of pm's about his actions / factual bla bla bla :augie

He just does it to irritate I'm sure :nenau

As I've said before, we're mean't to be here to help not hinder...

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Glad you got it sorted, but Sun Flower oil, nah it was the petrol that did it, the glow plugs tell you that, 11 mm shorter?, they got more than well hot, and only the petrol could cause that, we used to add parafin to our derv going to Austria in the winter -20 degrees to stop the derv waxing but would never ever add petrol, Rick

on a lighter note, I used to own troopers we had five over a few years and in the handbook it recommended adding petrol to the diesel (10% if i remember correctly) in very cold conditions. But of coourse that is just one vehicle and obviously if the manufacturer recommends it their engine must be able to take it. I still never did it though, just diesel for me.

I've just skimmed this thread, and i can't find any profanity or abuse ? is the alledged row with Daved? me an ddave have had worse rows than this without this much fuss and are still mates!

I do see the piont though of the difference between sunflower oil and other vegetable oils, funny but even in many commercial deep fat fryers they state 'do not use 100% sunflower oil, apparently it burns much hotter (I used to service catering equipment) isn't most oil sold as 'vegetable oil' rapeseed oil?

 

[Deleted account DD]

sorry adz but youre wrong on many counts in your tirade

 

[Adz]

I do see the piont though of the difference between sunflower oil and other vegetable oils, funny but even in many commercial deep fat fryers they state 'do not use 100% sunflower oil, apparently it burns much hotter (I used to service catering equipment) isn't most oil sold as 'vegetable oil' rapeseed oil?

Thank-You :clap :bow :thumbs

 

[Deleted account DD]

Thank-You :clap :bow :thumbs

your point is?

 

[briggie]

as far as im aware the point is it is a response to a debate posted in a public forum ,as is his right to express a opinion on the subject mater providing it doesnt offend or abuse i dont see a problem , but then i know nuffin

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

a guide to the smoke pointof oils ( the point at which it is close to bursting into flames) note this is for culinary purooses only!

as you can see generaly speaking the temp for veg oil round 200 and sunflower around 250 a significant difference. but how much difference this makes in an engine i have no idea, nor do i know the smoke and flash points of diesel to compare!


Smoke Points
Safflower 265 degrees C
Sunflower 246 degrees C
Soybean 241 degrees C
Canola 238 degrees C
Corn 236 degrees C
Peanut 231 degrees C
Sesame 215 degrees C
Olive 190 degrees C
Lards 183 to 205 degrees C


A number of factors will decrease the smoke point of any fat:

combination of vegetable oils in products
presence of foreign properties (batter)
temperature to which oil is heated
presence of salt
number of times oil is used
length of time oil is heated
storage of oil (exposure to oxygen, light, temperature)

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

another interesting article on this from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_point

interesting within sunflower oil there is a huge difference of over 70 degreees between refined and unrefined. I think the problem may be with these fuels we don't know exactly what we are puttin in our engines, one persons sunflower oil or veggie oild could be 100% pure and still be very different from another!

 

[Deleted account DD]

as far as im aware the point is it is a response to a debate posted in a public forum ,as is his right to express a opinion on the subject mater providing it doesnt offend or abuse i dont see a problem , but then i know nuffin

it was an opener for him to explain exactly why he was thanking Plank, however the moment passed.

 

[Deleted account DD]

Thank you plank :thumb2 stolen my thunder a bit (since Ive been off cutting the dogs hair ever tried trimming a reluctant spaniel :naughty)

The point Adz is theres not a lot of difference in the combustion temp once its inside the engine which is at god knows what temp. Believe it or not the fast food industry had a similar debate when they were in the process of switching from lard to veggie. would the equipment handle it?

The temp difference in your case is almost certainly not enough (ive been told) with other variables considered to "burn out" or knacker an otherwise healthy engine, and definitely not to the extent youd fail to notice.

That and the fact that the vehicle is now running and never was completley knackered tends to corroborate the fact that svo or sunflower oil, whichever way you want to describe it, wasn't, isn't and wont be the reason for the engine knacking up.

No on the info published by the owner of the vehicle the conclusion is more likely to be blocked unclean filters causing fuel starvation coupled with the incorrect and knackered glow plugs. Both overlooked on the original fault finding. I was actually pleased he got it sorted.

All he has to do is say "hey folks, the title is wrong and I admit it , i got it wrong"

Then we're back to the original debates that on here are excellent regarding alternative fuels. Theres many of us driven thousands of miles on svo and or sunflower without detriment and its fairly well established if youve got the right engine, injector and fuel pump combo it'll run sweet. Its more a matter of Is it worth doing?

Simples.

 

[Deleted account DD]

me an ddave have had worse rows than this without this much fuss and are still mates!

:thumb2 be honest its best when we're both right

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

so would changing

sunflower oil has killed dirty frog

to

has sunflower oil killed dirty frog

fix the row?

if so it's all sorted :thumb2

I think i woul dhave been pretty fed up after all that messing about though and maybe that has had an influence on the progress of the debate?

anyway all done now, so no worries, i think all the posts were interesting and valid contributions, we allways seem to get there in the end!

 

[Deleted account DD]

so would changing

sunflower oil has killed dirty frog

to

has sunflower oil killed dirty frog

fix the row?

if so it's all sorted :thumb2

I think i woul dhave been pretty fed up after all that messing about though and maybe that has had an influence on the progress of the debate?

anyway all done now, so no worries, i think all the posts were interesting and valid contributions, we allways seem to get there in the end!

:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2

 

[kbekl]

Thank you plank :thumb2 stolen my thunder a bit (since Ive been off cutting the dogs hair ever tried trimming a reluctant spaniel :naughty)

The point Adz is theres not a lot of difference in the combustion temp once its inside the engine which is at god knows what temp. Believe it or not the fast food industry had a similar debate when they were in the process of switching from lard to veggie. would the equipment handle it?

The temp difference in your case is almost certainly not enough (ive been told) with other variables considered to "burn out" or knacker an otherwise healthy engine, and definitely not to the extent youd fail to notice.

That and the fact that the vehicle is now running and never was completley knackered tends to corroborate the fact that svo or sunflower oil, whichever way you want to describe it, wasn't, isn't and wont be the reason for the engine knacking up.

No on the info published by the owner of the vehicle the conclusion is more likely to be blocked unclean filters causing fuel starvation coupled with the incorrect and knackered glow plugs. Both overlooked on the original fault finding. I was actually pleased he got it sorted.

All he has to do is say "hey folks, the title is wrong and I admit it , i got it wrong"

Then we're back to the original debates that on here are excellent regarding alternative fuels. Theres many of us driven thousands of miles on svo and or sunflower without detriment and its fairly well established if youve got the right engine, injector and fuel pump combo it'll run sweet. Its more a matter of Is it worth doing?

Simples.

right just because this is starting to be a long read lol

it can never be said that the sunflower oil isnt the cause and the same vice versa due to the fact that everything is a variable from brand of parts and oil

tbh i dont see the point in trying to force the situation one way or the other as not one of us knows which is correct

and to be honest the orginal title would be fine as that is the only variable that has changed, taken into account when they were last replaced,

no one truly know what affect veggie oil has in an engine due to the variable of the age, wareand tear and the owners own left foot each one will make the engine do something different

so in all you both are wrong or both are correct either way does it really acctually matter that much

and adz you was daft not checking them plugs first lol

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i was wondering (i think) if the type of oil could be the reason for the burnt glow plugs as opposed to the petrol? did adz say he put 5 gallons in each fill?, i assume he meant five litres which percentage wise i don't suppose is a lot.

I did post about isuzu recommending petrol in cold weather but, when i tried to buy new glow plugs for one all the cut price dealers either couldn't supply or were just giving ones that 'would fit and do the job' as it turned out the original isuzu ones are ceramic tipped and at the time no one produced ones the 'right spec' aftermarket. could this be to the petrol mix?

 

[Deleted account DD]

Nothing like starting it back off again but good point :augie

Original post was svo has knackered the car. You just cant say that without evidencing it, there was ample chance to explain the rationale.

Available evidence suggests that wasnt the case on this vehicle (directly from the user). Accurately posted evidence , experience, mileage, timescales etc from several people on this site to name just one source suggests completely the opposite is true :nenau That was my point.

Thing is people generally remember most clearly what they last read.If they read that original post , many people who are considering alternative fuels will back off and quote it bit like the bad press dogs like staffis get. When its incorrect it becomes a problem

 

[Deleted account DD]

i was wondering (i think) if the type of oil could be the reason for the burnt glow plugs as opposed to the petrol? did adz say he put 5 gallons in each fill?, i assume he meant five litres which percentage wise i don't suppose is a lot.

I did post about isuzu recommending petrol in cold weather but, when i tried to buy new glow plugs for one all the cut price dealers either couldn't supply or were just giving ones that 'would fit and do the job' as it turned out the original isuzu ones are ceramic tipped and at the time no one produced ones the 'right spec' aftermarket. could this be to the petrol mix?

I "borrowed" a bosch glow plug from one of the cylinders when I was farting about with the pre heater. At that point I had ran it for quite some time and mileage without a preheater on sunflower/svo during cold weather. it showed no signs (externally at least) of fouling or excess wear and was still working to the best of my knowledge when the car was sold :thumb2

I suspect his plugs were just knackered ..period

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

could be just knackered plugs, the fuel mix, maybe petrol did it as suggested by Rick or even cheper quality after market plugs?

I htink the fact yours was a genuine bosch plug is interesting.

Adz if you still have the old plugs is there a makers mark on them?

maybe making sure you have quality plugs is a thing to be carefull of if you are running alternative fuels?

all this is just food for the debate of course :thumb2

 

[Deleted account DD]

Im not sure of the plug differences but i did lob a lucas one in the heater at one point. It lasted half an hour or less and was replaced with a bosch which again was still working when the car was sold

one off difference in quality,ive no idea :nenau

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

like i said i htink some are made to the same size, voltage current etc. but some have a different physical make up, eg the ceramic tipped isuzu ones, and perhaps that is what is required. On my speculative evidence alone, i am inclined to agree with rick that maybe it was the petrol that killed the glowplugs rather than the sunfloweroil, but i will stand corrected if i'm wrong.