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jims-terrano
20-01-2014, 00:58
Hi Guy's what are xtrails like? I've picked this at random out of AutoTrader as it's the kind of spec I'd be looking at. I ain't going to be doing any green lanes so capability doesn't really matter.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201401151045806/sort/default/usedcars/radius/25/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/model/x-trail/make/nissan/postcode/wf148pq/page/4?logcode=p
What about Freelander TD4 of a similar age to the Xtrail.
Cheers
Hi Guy's what are xtrails like? I've picked this at random out of AutoTrader as it's the kind of spec I'd be looking at. I ain't going to be doing any green lanes so capability doesn't really matter.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201401151045806/sort/default/usedcars/radius/25/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/model/x-trail/make/nissan/postcode/wf148pq/page/4?logcode=p
What about Freelander TD4 of a similar age to the Xtrail.
Cheers
Gaylander OMG...:nenau
davenclaire
20-01-2014, 02:53
my mate bought one engine went bang twice nuff said
I've got 2 one petrol one diesel both engines knackered
Bedhead1157
20-01-2014, 18:52
Uncle has one, no end of bother with it, brakes, electrics, cooling, you name it, it's been back at the dealer for it.
It's only a 2.2 but uses more fuel than my T2.
You really don't want a Freelander.
Lazy-Ferret
20-01-2014, 19:00
I take it all the above comments are aimed at FreeLanders???
I thought X-Trails were pretty good.
exosteve
20-01-2014, 19:05
fee landers definatly shit.
dunno about xtrails:nenau
Bedhead1157
20-01-2014, 19:34
I take it all the above comments are aimed at FreeLanders???
I thought X-Trails were pretty good.
Uncles is an X-trail, can't remember what year it is, but it really has broken his heart, don't know it it's just a friday afternoon car, but he swears blind that when it finally dies completely, he'll not be buying another Nissan.:doh
don't wanna put you off jim , but , Sheila had a 51 plate x trail sport 2.2 dci turbo , when it was running it was a brilliant car , averaging 47mpg on a run to Norfolk :naughty , but .....it wasn't running well all the time :rolleyes: , the catalytic converter collapsed .......£900 dealer only part ...maf went , loads and loads of stuff went wrong with it ......thankfully it was expensed by the company she worked for .
to summerise ........when its good its very good , but when its bad .....it really is bad and its gonna cost a lot
freelander NO NO NOOOOOOO
XTRAIL, well, I think its just luck of the draw, but they aren't renowned for being the best car. they are more technical than a terrano, so more to go wrong, but if you find a good one then great.
Id add a few more cars to your list and definitely go look at some xtrails BUT be warned, if something goes wrong and you have to garage it, it WILL cost to fix...!!
Forget about a Gaylander Jim it'll cost you a bomb on none stop repairs my mate has one & wants shot of it asap & the lad across the road was doing repairs every week on his:doh As far as I know the later Xtrails (with speedo in front of driver not centre of dash) were better & know a few who have/had them & they didn't really have much trouble with them but like any modern car MAF's go but if you were to go for an xtrail keep away from high mileage ones as timing chain tensioner needs doing at 100K & it's an engine out job:doh hence why you find loads for sale around this milage:augie
davenclaire
20-01-2014, 20:32
my mate bought one engine went bang twice nuff said
nope i was talking about x trail he sold it for spares or repair on ebay for £800 he paid 4k had it 3 or 4 months
Bedhead1157
20-01-2014, 20:41
Another thing about Freelanders, have a good look underneath, if the viscous coupling dies, it's megabucks to replace, so many people have dumped it and the propshafts giving a nice 2wd.
davenclaire
20-01-2014, 20:47
Forget about a Gaylander Jim it'll cost you a bomb on none stop repairs my mate has one & wants shot of it asap & the lad across the road was doing repairs every week on his:doh As far as I know the later Xtrails (with speedo in front of driver not centre of dash) were better & know a few who have/had them & they didn't really have much trouble with them but like any modern car MAF's go but if you were to go for an xtrail keep away from high mileage ones as timing chain tensioner needs doing at 100K & it's an engine out job:doh hence why you find loads for sale around this milage:augie
other mate has a gaylander bought it with a blown head gasket fixed it since then new clutch. gearbox. sensors. hill decent. window mechanisms shit loads
jims-terrano
20-01-2014, 21:27
So are there any good cars around 5 years old? or even a bit younger? Love the Terrano but doubt there will be another down my drive.
So are there any good cars around 5 years old? or even a bit younger? Love the Terrano but doubt there will be another down my drive.
No there all crap :doh
zippy656
20-01-2014, 21:38
Another thing about Freelanders, have a good look underneath, if the viscous coupling dies, it's megabucks to replace, so many people have dumped it and the propshafts giving a nice 2wd.
Couplig with bearing £550
Fella at work hqving one fitted this weekn £250 for fitting and a few other bits
Find out then if difs are ok.
other mate has a gaylander bought it with a blown head gasket fixed it since then new clutch. gearbox. sensors. hill decent. window mechanisms shit loads
Oh, one of the better ones then.:thumb2
im convinced the X-Trail is the way to go Jim, as a used buy. Good when new because you have warranty.
if you must go Landrover, then for me its Defender ONLY. Otherwise, younger Terrano, or a Hyundai Terracan (I call them Turrican, for games geeks)
or a Suzuki, or MAYBE a Toyota...
firebobby
21-01-2014, 23:17
How about the Jeep brand
How about the Jeep brand
Petrol are thirsty, diesels probably under powered.
Other than that, not heard many bad things.
Although some of the other American Chryslers have a few issues.
It would be the cost of ownership, parts, service items that could be an issue.
I was amazed at how cheap parts are for our Mavericks and Terranos, I guess it is down to volume and after market part suppliers.
It is also the fact that the Terrano has been around for over 20 years, and the engines much longer than that in the London Taxis.
davenclaire
21-01-2014, 23:33
what about this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-mitsibushi-l200-raging-bull-pick-up-4x4-/221358691536?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item338a0194d0
rayf3262
22-01-2014, 00:00
No there all crap :doh
Around 15 years ago,....
I asked a colleague who was living and working in LA:
"Niel, why don't you replace your Mercedes with a newer one?"
He replied: "I can still fix this one without expensive Mercedes assistance"
jims-terrano
22-01-2014, 00:07
Well I reckon unless I win the lotto I won't be getting another 4x4. What ever I get will cost an arm and a leg to fix, CNC is correct I reckon.
If you want something you can fix easily Jim start the long hunt for a low mileage mint condition 55 plate Terrano as the road tax is only £280 a year unlike the 06 plate thats £480:doh TBH I looked at so many different 4x4's & cars before getting my T2 which could easily pull a caravan & had good MPG whilst towing my eyes & brain hurt. Mondeo's are great tow cars & give very good MPG but once the mileage go's up so does the repair bills for the likes of clutch & DM fly wheel, injectors are £800 & a dealer has to program them into the ECU, fuel pumps £2k:doh it's not just ford all makes suffer the same problems even VW:augie The days of fixing cars is just about gone now sadly, mechanic's these days just replace parts if an engine needed a new set of piston rings they wouldn't do it just tell you you need a new engine
AlexD333
22-01-2014, 07:12
I was looking at mutsubishis too, went on their forum and atleast two variants of engine suffered from cam chain failure, the earliest i found was at 41k :eek: this was chain snapping!! Not rattling...
And the dealerships didnt want to know apparently.
And as mentioned above the dual mass cheesecake i mean err the dual mass flywheel... Correct me if I'm wrong but they are all crap!
Ive got to agree with sweetly and say why don't you hunt for a terrano 55 reg. cheap road tax too.
Oh and lastly... Look at he amount of freelanders for sale on auto trader.... Something not right there...
The terranos have proven their reliability :thumb2
yh, I agree, the Mitsubishi are an expensive option - fine if you have the money to maintain them, they are good workhorses.
Jim, im positive there is something out there. You need to consider the Outbacks, Hyundais, Terranos later models, Defender etc etc.
Bedhead1157
22-01-2014, 18:13
Uncles X-Trail back at the mechanics, had to drive from Donegal to Belfast in limp mode, either that or just won't make power. He is not a happy bunny.:doh
A mate has given up on his Shogun and bought an Audi A4, the Shogun is on it's third engine at 160k, he doesn't trust it any more, he reckons that even if the DMF in the Audi lets go, it's cheaper than yet another engine for the Shogun. Last engine was £600 from the breakers.
A friends 05 plate x-trail has had turbo, intercooler, injectors, dm flywheel and clutch replaced at just under 100k. Cost over £3000. Always serviced by dealer before its due. Not good.
firebobby
22-01-2014, 19:31
Kia's look like their coming on in leaps and bounds, my mate has the new sportage and it's a really nice bit of kit.
davenclaire
22-01-2014, 19:42
Uncles X-Trail back at the mechanics, had to drive from Donegal to Belfast in limp mode, either that or just won't make power. He is not a happy bunny.:doh
A mate has given up on his Shogun and bought an Audi A4, the Shogun is on it's third engine at 160k, he doesn't trust it any more, he reckons that even if the DMF in the Audi lets go, it's cheaper than yet another engine for the Shogun. Last engine was £600 from the breakers.
well if u stick an engine in from a scrappy u gotta expect trouble
jim look at a rav4 you probably need to go older but my boss has 2005 rav diesel and can get 44mpg. clutch is expensive but a good familt motor that wont get stuck in the snow..
i would not go near the hyundai.. it might be cheap but things are normaly cheap for a reason. and how ugly are they ffs..
i would get a subaru forester before the hyundai
micktheshed
22-01-2014, 19:58
I was seriously looking at the (MK1?) X Trails 2/3 years ago, before buying my Terrano. After talking to quite a few people (some in the trade) & spending a lot of time weighing-up the p & c's (as I habitually do) I condensed the collected 'facts' into this: if you must have a diesel get one before Renault ruined the vehicle & made it very unreliable, otherwise buy a 2.5 petrol which is likely to cost a lot less to rum o/all. It will also be MUCH cheaper to buy. The post-Renault diesel has a long list of expensive & repetitive faults. although the one before it was somewhat better.
The Freelanders 1 & 2 (in common with their brethren) are a long-term disaster & a bottom-less money pit. It only out-does the X Trail in failure rates. Maybe the mk3 will be better (in your dreams LOL).
If my low mileage Terrano hadn't shown-up when it did I'd now own a 2.5 (but unfortunately not an auto because of only 1.3T tow ability).
Lazy-Ferret
22-01-2014, 20:00
Kia's look like their coming on in leaps and bounds, my mate has the new sportage and it's a really nice bit of kit.
The Kia's are nice, just we have the worst dealers for them in the world down here. We were going for a brand new Sedona, or a second hand low mileage Serento, but the sales guy messed us around so much, we ended up walking out. We went to a second dealer, and he said we could not order what we wanted, as they did not do it, despite the fact we had had it spec'd at that in the other place. So we went to a third one, who blanked us completely. When we did finally get the attention of a guy, and asked to have a look at a specific car, we were told "knock yourself out", when I said it was locked, I was told "Yeah, we do that, it stops people nicking them", and he turned and walked away...
We drove down the road, and stopped at a Volvo Dealership, who were just about to close, I only asked for a list of the cars they had for sale, but they could not have been more helpful, getting the one we wanted in the next day, and letting us have a really good test drive, so bought a Volvo V70 instead.
Kia's look like their coming on in leaps and bounds, my mate has the new sportage and it's a really nice bit of kit.
We almost bought a sportage but the boot wasn't big enough to get all our camping gear in (we take loads:augie) MPG is good & they seem well put together
^I agree, Kias are MUCH improved in the last couple of years - my mate just got a little Picanto, lovely little motor (better than a Fiesta that's for sure)!
Still a way to go in terms of being better than some european makes and Japan, but absolutely on the list - most come so well spec'd with great warranty its hard to turn down..
firebobby
23-01-2014, 17:41
Also give a 7 year warranty on new motors, not many other car makers doing that, so they must be quite happy with their products.
I will seriously look at one for the next big car....not for a few years though:)
you could just keep putting an mot on your bus. lets face it most of its been done now and anything else should be easy to get to
macabethiel
23-01-2014, 20:07
Hi Guy's what are xtrails like? I've picked this at random out of AutoTrader as it's the kind of spec I'd be looking at. I ain't going to be doing any green lanes so capability doesn't really matter.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201401151045806/sort/default/usedcars/radius/25/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/model/x-trail/make/nissan/postcode/wf148pq/page/4?logcode=p
What about Freelander TD4 of a similar age to the Xtrail.
Cheers
Work mate had a 3 year old X trail diesel 5 door 60k miles on clock ran OK for about 18 months then the engine started making some crank area / little end noises in the end the turbo failed and damaged the engine.
Beyond economic repair so traded in as a non-runner. Shame it was a nice looker with leather trim etc but it was a bit of a money pit with bits & bobs always needed to keep it going.
macabethiel
23-01-2014, 20:32
Also give a 7 year warranty on new motors, not many other car makers doing that, so they must be quite happy with their products.
I will seriously look at one for the next big car....not for a few years though:)
The 7 year warranty is not quite what it seems - lots on the internet about them only paying out if you can prove a part failure - wear and tear not covered in the later years with lots of exclusions.
That said they are pretty good.
Now don't laugh but the Ssangyong Rexton can be a cheap used buy and is a good car like drive - some of them have the Merc 5 cyl diesel engine in them.
One of our mechanics worked at the local main dealers and he reckons they have a bad press that they do not deserve. He said many can loose 4WD mode due to a few perished vacuum hoses but are easy to fix. Due to Yen / £ exchange rate they are now rather expensive new and sales are not what they were. That said the KIA is not the cheap car it once was.
jims-terrano
24-01-2014, 00:17
you could just keep putting an mot on your bus. lets face it most of its been done now and anything else should be easy to get to
I kind of half agree with ya Larson and you know how much I love the car. The sills are going to need doing again this year and I think there was an advisory on part of inner sill wasn't there last year? Daren't remove front bumper as I'll bet that end will need a dose of looking at.
Have to say apart from the clutch pedal needing flicking backup occasionally it actually drives pretty good.
Almost forgot the wings are a little moth eaten too.
We say every year that everything else is fine but the MOT station always seem to find something else to fix too and it always seems to cost another £500.
jims-terrano
24-01-2014, 00:19
Ok what about Skoda Roomster diesel? nice n practical car.
rayf3262
24-01-2014, 01:11
Ok what about Skoda Roomster diesel? nice n practical car.
Audi A4 platform,.. not too much wrong with that. Avoid the dual mass flywheel issue and go for a DSG transmission.
I was thinking of the Skoda Yeti 4x4, looks aren't everything.
Or VW tiguan next car has to do close to 50 mpg on a run, 4x4 for winter, we don't really need the high towing capacity of the Mav.
Easy and cheap to fix... I guess that really rules out both of the above.:doh
firebobby
24-01-2014, 10:23
The only problem with later metal is the road tax...£400 ish :(
jims-terrano
24-01-2014, 20:25
I was thinking of the Skoda Yeti 4x4, looks aren't everything.
Or VW tiguan next car has to do close to 50 mpg on a run, 4x4 for winter, we don't really need the high towing capacity of the Mav.
Easy and cheap to fix... I guess that really rules out both of the above.:doh
Terrano it is then Rustic for you :lol:lol:lol
Love both those two motors but they are just out of my price range really.
jims-terrano
24-01-2014, 20:26
Audi A4 platform,.. not too much wrong with that. Avoid the dual mass flywheel issue and go for a DSG transmission.
What's DSG and how do I know it has or hasn't got it?
What's DSG and how do I know it has or hasn't got it?
I didn't know either, I found this..
The DSG dual-clutch gearbox, available in 6-speed and 7-speed versions, is unlike a conventional automatic transmission. Two independent gearboxes are connected under load to the engine in turn, depending on the current gear, via two drive shafts. An output shaft assigned to each gearbox applies the torque to the driven wheels via the differential gear. Clutches and gearboxes are operated hydraulically by the gearbox mechatronics (a combination of mechanics and electronics). The electronic transmission control unit, sensors and hydraulic control unit form one compact unit. The control unit uses information such as engine speed, road speed, accelerator position and driving mode to select the optimum gear and to determine the ideal shift point. The control unit then implements the shift commands in a sequence of precisely co-ordinated actions. Each change takes less than four-hundredths of a second. DSG can be used manually, via the Tiptronic gearlever or the optional paddle shifts.
rayf3262
24-01-2014, 20:45
DSG combines the fuel economy of a manual transmission with the ease of an auto.
DSG transmissions are optionally fitted to just about every vehicle in the VAG range, including some of the commercial vehicles.
DSG combines the fuel economy of a manual transmission with the ease of an auto.
DSG transmissions are optionally fitted to just about every vehicle in the VAG range, including some of the commercial vehicles.
Sounds like something very expensive to repair if it goes wrong, and very expensive to diagnose what needs doing.
With injectors each costing £600 and requiring programming into the ECU by the main dealers for some modern vehicles, it does make you think where modern cars are going :doh
When will the time come that the bonnet of a car is sealed for life, and there is a little compartment you open with caps to fill with the appropriate liquid when told to do so by the onboard computer.
jims-terrano
25-01-2014, 00:09
Some of the Reno's have sealed gearboxes, they don't need topping up? :nenau:nenau:nenau
firebobby
25-01-2014, 00:37
DSG combines the fuel economy of a manual transmission with the ease of an auto.
DSG transmissions are optionally fitted to just about every vehicle in the VAG range, including some of the commercial vehicles.
I know 3 people who have VW Transporters with this box and all have had major issues...engine and box out to sort out bearing issues in the box.
They were all low mileage and still under warranty, so didn't cost the owners.
Peasgood1
26-01-2014, 17:37
I have an Xtrail.
In my couple of months ownership I have done both front wheel bearings. This is at the professional end of DIY as a press is needed, luckily I have one or I would have had to pay for it to be done. Not a fun job anyway as various bits are seized in place.
Now I cured those noises two more have appeared. One sounds like possible seized caliper or hopefully a bent splash shield (I can guess which is more likely)
The other noise is possibly damaged cam, no oil pressure or something even more horrid.
The idea of getting the car instead of a replacement Terrano was that the better fuel economy would make me more inclined to go places at the weekend.
Turns out my weekends are taken up with fixing the damned thing instead!
Don't buy one.
Bedhead1157
26-01-2014, 18:23
DSG combines the fuel economy of a manual transmission with the ease of an auto.
DSG transmissions are optionally fitted to just about every vehicle in the VAG range, including some of the commercial vehicles.
The local big taxi firm has Octavias with DSG's as their depot cars. Of the ones I've been in, most were good, but a few were jerky as hell on the change.
I know the Citygo has an autobox that is just a computer controlled clutch and manual box, those are never a good job in any make of vehicle, the clutches always come out cooked.
jims-terrano
26-01-2014, 19:52
Well we aint in a hurry to do anything at the moment, probably wait until Easter before doing much about the car. What ever the happens the Xtrail is out. I like the practical side of the Roomster and economy.
I've had my opinion confirmed that modern cars are crap without exception. The only way to run modern cars is to lease or buy brand new and dump when warranty runs out.
Still like the Terrano but trying to be realistic about it.
...I've had my opinion confirmed that modern cars are crap without exception. The only way to run modern cars is to lease or buy brand new and dump when warranty runs out...
My thoughts exactly.:thumb2
It explains why I still have my Mav:thumb2
I can't think of any modern car that I would still have or even want, in 10 years time, let alone 18...:augie
jims-terrano
26-01-2014, 20:11
I also reckon that newer Terrano's are rust buckets :doh which is a crying shame
jims-terrano
26-01-2014, 23:31
I also reckon that newer Terrano's are rust buckets :doh which is a crying shame
OH BUGGER!!!!!! I just seen a T2 with 60k on it and it's lovely :doh:doh:doh
And her in doors likes the look of it too :nenau:nenau:nenau
Got all week for somebody else to buy it as we can't go and see it until next weekend :confused:
AlexD333
26-01-2014, 23:45
I also reckon that newer Terrano's are rust buckets :doh which is a crying shame
Mines a 2004 and quite clean. Think you just need to find one thats been used in town
Bedhead1157
27-01-2014, 20:14
OH BUGGER!!!!!! I just seen a T2 with 60k on it and it's lovely :doh:doh:doh
And her in doors likes the look of it too :nenau:nenau:nenau
Got all week for somebody else to buy it as we can't go and see it until next weekend :confused:
Just buy it and look after it.:thumb2
just prevent rust and all will be well... waxoil while its still new to you and its a labour of love rather than a chor
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