WARNING.....you may need an LGV licence

[Kamsin]

i aint checked for a while but the rule was 3.5 tonne combined weight truck plus what ever you're towing this new rule just seems to be another way of screwin ya out of money

It depends on the weight of the trailer matey, but your not far out.

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

nothing about this on direct gov

though found this on vosa

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Quick guide to towing small trailers.pdf

so Plank might need a tacho....

there was also a page about horse/boxes.

said if amateur, even if if share fuel or get
modest prize money but plough it back into
upkeep of horse then tacho and o licence
exempt providing rigid is less than 7.5 tonne
or use a trailer.


seems to be if in business use say vet, over 7.5
or hire/reward then more regs kick in.

 

[Kamsin]

nothing about this on direct gov

though found this on vosa

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Quick guide to towing small trailers.pdf

so Plank might need a tacho....

there was also a page about horse/boxes.

said if amateur, even if if share fuel or get
modest prize money but plough it back into
upkeep of horse then tacho and o licence
exempt providing rigid is less than 7.5 tonne
or use a trailer.


seems to be if in business use say vet, over 7.5
or hire/reward then more regs kick in.

LOL, As far as i know, Direct Gov and DFT Gov is the same thing, so is VOSA, they all controlled by the same place the Govenment hence the .gov.uk web address. Its just different departments.

There are lots off loop holes but just as many traps, i would guess it will be down to the police office that pullls you up to decided if he thinks you right or not. That wont mean he is correct, just that your now going to have to go to court to fight it.

Another rule is the vans should only be doing 60 mph on the motorway, this includes Escort box style vans, as they are not "Car derived". It took me weeks to get the info on this but you would be amazed how many so thought vans are NOT car derived.

(Im getting the feeling im telling you all that your braking the Law, i was only trying to point out what the Law now says to keep every one Ponits and fine free)

 

[firebobby]

LOL, As far as i know, Direct Gov and DFT Gov is the same thing, so is VOSA, they all controlled by the same place the Govenment hence the .gov.uk web address. Its just different departments.

There are lots off loop holes but just as many traps, i would guess it will be down to the police office that pullls you up to decided if he thinks you right or not. That wont mean he is correct, just that your now going to have to go to court to fight it.

Another rule is the vans should only be doing 60 mph on the motorway, this includes Escort box style vans, as they are not "Car derived". It took me weeks to get the info on this but you would be amazed how many so thought vans are NOT car derived.

(Im getting the feeling im telling you all that your braking the Law, i was only trying to point out what the Law now says to keep every one Ponits and fine free)

Not just 60 on the motorway, also relates to A and B roads and the police are now starting to pull non car derived vans for speeding....cash cows

 

[Adz]

I'm an HGV driver & this is how it stands on tacho Law's.:-

To safe guard yourself, if it has a Tacho / Digi Card then use it.!

If it has a Digi Card YOU MUST INSERT A CARD.! Either a drivers card / Company Owners Card or Mechanics Card.!

All HGV's must have a Tacho whilst on the road.! ( except below )

Recovery services can operate within a 60 mile radius of there depo without a tacho but must put 1 in if they go outside it.

Buss's NOT Coach's don't run Tacho's.

Refuse Service's don't have to but are now ( to safe guard the Council & employee or in-case of accident. ) running them.

Horse Box's don't have to but I personally would "if" I drove 1 as it is there.

YOU CAN NOT i.e. DRIVE A CURTAIN SIDER WITHOUT A TACHO NO MATTER WHAT IT IS BEING USED FOR.!

My uncle work's for a local coach work's & they even with brand new un-registered lorry's have to use a tacho for the 6 mile round trip from the coach building to the test centre / garage.

If you are using an HGV for business then it MUST also have a OPERATORS LICENSE.! Short term hire is the only exemption i.e. less than 5 day's consecutive.!

 

[firebobby]

Emergency vehicles...fire engines, don't need tacho's nor do utility emergency vehicle, like water supply tankers, these are driven on drivers hours with log books.
So many different rules..just to make it confusing :augie:augie

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

and my T2 as a commercial with a gross weight of over 2000k can only do 50 mph on single track national speed limit roads, the same goes for a navara! The law is about weight not being car derived or not.

 

[Kamsin]

I'm an HGV driver & this is how it stands on tacho Law's.:-

To safe guard yourself, if it has a Tacho / Digi Card then use it.!

If it has a Digi Card YOU MUST INSERT A CARD.! Either a drivers card / Company Owners Card or Mechanics Card.!

All HGV's must have a Tacho whilst on the road.! ( except below )

Recovery services can operate within a 60 mile radius of there depo without a tacho but must put 1 in if they go outside it.

Buss's NOT Coach's don't run Tacho's.

Refuse Service's don't have to but are now ( to safe guard the Council & employee or in-case of accident. ) running them.

Horse Box's don't have to but I personally would "if" I drove 1 as it is there.

YOU CAN NOT i.e. DRIVE A CURTAIN SIDER WITHOUT A TACHO NO MATTER WHAT IT IS BEING USED FOR.!

My uncle work's for a local coach work's & they even with brand new un-registered lorry's have to use a tacho for the 6 mile round trip from the coach building to the test centre / garage.

If you are using an HGV for business then it MUST also have a OPERATORS LICENSE.! Short term hire is the only exemption i.e. less than 5 day's consecutive.!

Not wanting to argue but not all your points are correct. Company cards are only for downloading information, Workshop cards are only for workshop use (Fixing the tacho or re-calabration) Only a drivers card can be used on the road.

The exempt vehicle are running on UK Domestic rules, not exempt as such but working under different legislation, but still needing an LGV licence.

(Recovery vehicles used to be be exempt from LGV, but think now they have to have one again)

But i think were going off subject a little. no one is really intrested in all of that, they just need to be safe when they have a trailer on the back.

If in dought, check it out! Simples :augie

 

[Kamsin]

Emergency vehicles...fire engines, don't need tacho's nor do utility emergency vehicle, like water supply tankers, these are driven on drivers hours with log books.
So many different rules..just to make it confusing :augie:augie

You are correct, they have complete exemtion from all EU and Domestic rules, No tacho needed at all. It also applys to any vehicle that is being used in the connection of ensuring Gas, Water and Power supplys stay connected.

Also the Armed forces.

 

[Kamsin]

and my T2 as a commercial with a gross weight of over 2000k can only do 50 mph on single track national speed limit roads, the same goes for a navara! The law is about weight not being car derived or not.

I think you have a loop hole and can be classed as a car derived vehicle, but they class all 4x4's as MPV anyway. Your correct with the Navara though as it has a pick up back. Iv not done a lot of work on them to be honest, but recall checking out mine as it was an MPV to see what rules i had to follow and i can do 70 motorway, 70 Duel carraige way and 60 National speed limmit.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

I don't think car derived, MPV etc. have any legal standing. If your log book states it's commercial then it all goes on weight categories. Full stop. I can't look it up now as I'm using my kindle But I have before and it is quite straght forward.

 

[Adz]

Emergency vehicles...fire engines, don't need tacho's nor do utility emergency vehicle, like water supply tankers, these are driven on drivers hours with log books.
So many different rules..just to make it confusing :augie:augie

I didn't bother with those laws & nor do the army

Some councils still use log books but that will be finished by next year :thumbs

 

[Adz]

Not wanting to argue but not all your points are correct. Company cards are only for downloading information, Workshop cards are only for workshop use (Fixing the tacho or re-calabration) Only a drivers card can be used on the road.

The exempt vehicle are running on UK Domestic rules, not exempt as such but working under different legislation, but still needing an LGV licence.

(Recovery vehicles used to be be exempt from LGV, but think now they have to have one again)

But i think were going off subject a little. no one is really intrested in all of that, they just need to be safe when they have a trailer on the back.

If in dought, check it out! Simples :augie

Both the company & mechanic card can be used in the digi tacho

If it's to do with towing trailer's on your 4x4 then you DON'T need an HGV license :lol :doh
You just need to make sure you passed your test before ???? or have the right category

 

[briggie]

my licence is that old it advises a man walks in front with a red flag :augie:lol

 

[4wheel]

Both the company & mechanic card can be used in the digi tacho

If it's to do with towing trailer's on your 4x4 then you DON'T need an HGV license :lol :doh
You just need to make sure you passed your test before ???? or have the right category

I don't think it has a thing to do with safety but all to do with money ! Waiting for drivers at horse events or auctions is typical of those who are "concerned for the safety of the motorist" . Hmm,think I will ride around with a coffin on my trailer.that should confuse them.

 

[Kamsin]

I don't think car derived, MPV etc. have any legal standing. If your log book states it's commercial then it all goes on weight categories. Full stop. I can't look it up now as I'm using my kindle But I have before and it is quite straght forward.

Thats another one for me to look out for then, Everydays a school day.

Can you not swap it over to PLG, i know my dad did it with his as it was an Ex Armed forces police car, but not sure if same ruls apply.:naughty

 

[melissachels]

I just had 2 go 2 the dvla office 2 tax my terrano as it was classed as disabled & the put the tax class as plg (private light goods) useage.

Don't know if this is completly correct but I read somewhere that horseboxes used by yards I.e. race horses, showjumpers ect need 2 be tachographed ad they are basically commersional (soz can't spell 2nite) but personal use for beach trips and local shows don't unless the driver drives for a living I.e. taxi driver ect.

As for the trailer rule I passed after 97 and have only provisional b+e entitlement, yet i was told my both the dvla and the traffic cops @ glasgows headquarters that i was legal to tow my pony with my 406 on the grounds that trailer & load did not exceed the kerb weight of the car and total was still under 3.5t

(car & trailer alone weighed 2100, car being 1.5t on its own, pony weighs no more than 400kg, n i only weight 45kg approx so had plenty to play with n pugs train weight total was 3.1t so couldn't exceed that anyho. I was neva made aware of the no load rule, and i spoke to about 15 different police/dvla folk n all told me the same thing

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

I think this is something I am going to have to look into as I do a lot of towing including horses as in the previous post. Kamsin thanks for the PLG tip I will gove it a go. :thumb2

 

[Kamsin]

I just had 2 go 2 the dvla office 2 tax my terrano as it was classed as disabled & the put the tax class as plg (private light goods) useage.

Don't know if this is completly correct but I read somewhere that horseboxes used by yards I.e. race horses, showjumpers ect need 2 be tachographed ad they are basically commersional (soz can't spell 2nite) but personal use for beach trips and local shows don't unless the driver drives for a living I.e. taxi driver ect.

As for the trailer rule I passed after 97 and have only provisional b+e entitlement, yet i was told my both the dvla and the traffic cops @ glasgows headquarters that i was legal to tow my pony with my 406 on the grounds that trailer & load did not exceed the kerb weight of the car and total was still under 3.5t

(car & trailer alone weighed 2100, car being 1.5t on its own, pony weighs no more than 400kg, n i only weight 45kg approx so had plenty to play with n pugs train weight total was 3.1t so couldn't exceed that anyho. I was neva made aware of the no load rule, and i spoke to about 15 different police/dvla folk n all told me the same thing

What you have said keeps you excempt.

 

[Kamsin]

I think this is something I am going to have to look into as I do a lot of towing including horses as in the previous post. Kamsin thanks for the PLG tip I will gove it a go. :thumb2

Its got to be worth a try, even if you have to fit rear seats for a while.:thumbs