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[solarman216]

So when Mr plod pulls you are you telling me he is going to know all these rules enough to do you or not do you, the bloody world is going mad, it is written in history that societies that continue to introduce more and more rules to control the populace eventually collapse, that is where we are headed, Rick

 

[briggie]

I just had 2 go 2 the dvla office 2 tax my terrano as it was classed as disabled & the put the tax class as plg (private light goods) useage.

Don't know if this is completly correct but I read somewhere that horseboxes used by yards I.e. race horses, showjumpers ect need 2 be tachographed ad they are basically commersional (soz can't spell 2nite) but personal use for beach trips and local shows don't unless the driver drives for a living I.e. taxi driver ect.

As for the trailer rule I passed after 97 and have only provisional b+e entitlement, yet i was told my both the dvla and the traffic cops @ glasgows headquarters that i was legal to tow my pony with my 406 on the grounds that trailer & load did not exceed the kerb weight of the car and total was still under 3.5t

(car & trailer alone weighed 2100, car being 1.5t on its own, pony weighs no more than 400kg, n i only weight 45kg approx so had plenty to play with n pugs train weight total was 3.1t so couldn't exceed that anyho. I was neva made aware of the no load rule, and i spoke to about 15 different police/dvla folk n all told me the same thing

just a thought ..... there might be different rules in scotland :nenau

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Are you saying gtw 3500kg or trailer weight over 3500kg.You have never been able to tow a trailer weighing more than 3500 on car license.I have lgv c+e but std licence used to allow something like 8250 but tacho has always been required if driving for reward

not technically correct, there are no towing limits on weight on a cat. B

see direct gov site.

however its self defined that such vehicles have a max of 3500kg generally
though some car have had more, my old rrc had 3500 normal and 6000 i think
in tractor mode!, plating had something about not exceeding 18mph

rrc range rover classic.

also seen american pickups that fell in to b not c1 that had tow weight of
around 4000kg....

 

[firebobby]

So when Mr plod pulls you are you telling me he is going to know all these rules enough to do you or not do you, the bloody world is going mad, it is written in history that societies that continue to introduce more and more rules to control the populace eventually collapse, that is where we are headed, Rick

I have to agree Rick, it's all very well these idiots bringing in these new rules (mostly from Europe) but they can't expect the average joe on the street, to know about all these changes.
How many people do you actually know that have been fined for these offences....you hear about this and that but does anyone know someone who's been done:nenau:nenau

 

[melissachels]

Thats another one for me to look out for then, Everydays a school day.

Can you not swap it over to PLG, i know my dad did it with his as it was an Ex Armed forces police car, but not sure if same ruls apply.:naughty

u should be able to, but u'll need 2 go to the dvla office and get it done there. just do it nxt time it needs taxed (unless ur tax is cheaper of course)

 

[melissachels]

just a thought ..... there might be different rules in scotland :nenau

I don't think so, certainly not on the major usual stuff anyho, still go by dvla n vosa ect

 

[cncfabs]

not technically correct, there are no towing limits on weight on a cat. B

see direct gov site.

however its self defined that such vehicles have a max of 3500kg generally
though some car have had more, my old rrc had 3500 normal and 6000 i think
in tractor mode!, plating had something about not exceeding 18mph

rrc range rover classic.

also seen american pickups that fell in to b not c1 that had tow weight of
around 4000kg....

Max trailer weight with over run brakes has always been 3500kg

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

perhaps with over run, though there are other methods...

saw section on direct gov other day, can't now, typical, though
did find this in relation to new regs from 1 jan 13

Category BE
If your trailer weighs over 750 kg and the combined trailer and towing vehicle weight is more than 3,500 kg, you’ll need to pass a further test. The trailer you tow must not be heavier than 3,500 kg. This test will be shown on your driving licence as category BE.
Category C1E
To tow a trailer weighing more than 3,500 kg with a car or small vehicle (category B), you’ll need to pass a test for category C1E.


So note there must be some sub 3500kg vehicles with option to tug more.
even though i agree typical car gross trains are based on 3500 mam for trailer.

I'm thinking these mini fifth wheels where in a sense you are not just towing
but also carrying a large nose weight. so trailer weight is over 3500. the trailer
axles carry so much of its weight, the tug the other.

theres also a section saying there are no ratios of weight for BE class, so 85%
is only a recommendation as is usually more than enough for a caravan a flat
bed or tipper trailer is easy to get to say 2800kg for a terrano, or 3500kg for
a patrol.
ironically a vosa leaflet extols the virtues of 85% for all trailer types.

 

[cncfabs]

perhaps with over run, though there are other methods...

saw section on direct gov other day, can't now, typical, though
did find this in relation to new regs from 1 jan 13

Category BE
If your trailer weighs over 750 kg and the combined trailer and towing vehicle weight is more than 3,500 kg, you’ll need to pass a further test. The trailer you tow must not be heavier than 3,500 kg. This test will be shown on your driving licence as category BE.
Category C1E
To tow a trailer weighing more than 3,500 kg with a car or small vehicle (category B), you’ll need to pass a test for category C1E.


So note there must be some sub 3500kg vehicles with option to tug more.
even though i agree typical car gross trains are based on 3500 mam for trailer.

I'm thinking these mini fifth wheels where in a sense you are not just towing
but also carrying a large nose weight. so trailer weight is over 3500. the trailer
axles carry so much of its weight, the tug the other.

theres also a section saying there are no ratios of weight for BE class, so 85%
is only a recommendation as is usually more than enough for a caravan a flat
bed or tipper trailer is easy to get to say 2800kg for a terrano, or 3500kg for
a patrol.
ironically a vosa leaflet extols the virtues of 85% for all trailer types.

I think you will find overrun brakes with auto reverse are the only legal option on car trailers under 3500kg trailers over 3500 fall into completly different catagory and are towed by lgv's