Terrano 2 Key

[riobey]

Hi,
just had a key cut and supposedly progammed at Timpsons in Goole.The key will open the door and turn the engine over but it won't fire. the original key starts it immediately.
Rang the shop and the guy says that some cars need a procedure carried out and advised to check the handbook. The handbook doesn't mention any procedure-any ideas please,
Regards,
Fred

 

[zippy656]

http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/downloads/workshop/wk14.pdf

yep its here, sorry i took so long to answer

 

[riobey]

Yes thanks! I saw that thread but this is not a remote central locking key just the old fashioned manual!!

 

[zippy656]

Hi,
just had a key cut and supposedly progammed at Timpsons in Goole.The key will open the door and turn the engine over but it won't fire. the original key starts it immediately.
Rang the shop and the guy says that some cars need a procedure carried out and advised to check the handbook. The handbook doesn't mention any procedure-any ideas please,
Regards,
Fred

so whats needs to be programed then ??

 

[riobey]

Well as I say the guy in the shop copied the transponder code onto the new key-but the engine won't fire. Does this mean that the new key is at fault? He reckons that some cars need a procedure followed before the key will start the engine ??

 

[zippy656]

um ok. i didnt know that

 

[lacroupade]

Well as I say the guy in the shop copied the transponder code onto the new key-but the engine won't fire. Does this mean that the new key is at fault? He reckons that some cars need a procedure followed before the key will start the engine ??

but you just said it was a 'manual' key? If its got the two buttons to lock and unlock remotely then its the right key and you just need to follow the procedure and 'code' it.

If its a manual key then you'll get in the car by manually opening the drivers door (which works the central locking) but the alarm should go off and the immobiliser kicks in (which is probably why you can't start it)....and you can't do anything about that.

If its a key with a transponder (but not coded to your car) then it will still open the car as a 'manual' key but the alarm should still go off and the immobiliser kick in, so as Zippy points out, you have to follow the procedure to 'code' it to the car, then it should work fine as a remote...and when you open the car remotely with the right key, no alarm, no immobiliser and off you go.

In fact if you open the car with your working remote key, you should be able to start and drive with the new key even as it is. If you can't then something else is wrong...

 

[riobey]

have justb tried opening door with the original key and then put the new key(no buttons) in ignition but it does not cancel hazard warning lights flashing-it will turn the engine over but will not fire. As soon as the original key is used it works as normal! I wonder if the new key has not been coded accurately? As it has no buttons I cannot follow the procedure described. Incidently, the original key has the buttons but will not open the door remotely despite putting a new battery in.
What is involved in disabling the immobiliser please?

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

I may just be being paranoid, but is disabling the imobiliser circuit something we should discuss in forum? I dont know myself just asking.

If the answer is yes we should then I have a few suggestions :thumbs

 

[zippy656]

i can see your point plank. maybe it should me locked to payed up members only, this posable ??

 

[Deleted Member S]

Incidently, the original key has the buttons but will not open the door remotely despite putting a new battery in.
What is involved in disabling the immobiliser please?

The reason for this is that the micro switches in the key fob are shot:augiemines the same well it'll lock the door but won't open them:doh
TBH it sounds as if the new key has'nt been chipped right:augie

 

[Paul]

I may just be being paranoid, but is disabling the imobiliser circuit something we should discuss in forum? I dont know myself just asking.

If the answer is yes we should then I have a few suggestions :thumbs

Would think this would void your insurance if anything ever happen.

 

[Toolbox]

It sounds as though the new key has not been coded to the original correctly, if the alarm is still going off with it in the ignition then the chip in the key is not working or does not have the same code in as the original. The chip in the key is nothing to do with opening the doors either with buttons in the key or without, only switching off the immobiliser when the key is placed in the barrel.

 

[DeeTees]

Well as I say the guy in the shop copied the transponder code onto the new key-but the engine won't fire. Does this mean that the new key is at fault? He reckons that some cars need a procedure followed before the key will start the engine ??

Just a guess, but do you not think it is very likely that you have a key with the wrong chip and that's why it won't work in your car.
That is the most simple explanation.

That is, assuming the guy in the workshop followed proper procedure, because I assume he took your old working key along with your new key and worked them over in sequence.
He would have reprogrammed the old key at the same time as the new key.
Now you are left with one which works and the new key doesn't.
The old key accepted the reprogramming, so I assume that he followed the proper procedure.

One way to tell is to open up both keys and at least the chips should be the same colour.

 

[lacroupade]

Just a guess, but do you not think it is very likely that you have a key with the wrong chip and that's why it won't work in your car.
That is the most simple explanation.

That is, assuming the guy in the workshop followed proper procedure, because I assume he took your old working key along with your new key and worked them over in sequence.
He would have reprogrammed the old key at the same time as the new key.
Now you are left with one which works and the new key doesn't.
The old key accepted the reprogramming, so I assume that he followed the proper procedure.

One way to tell is to open up both keys and at least the chips should be the same colour.

DeeTees ..... the workshop...

http://www.timpson.co.uk/

 

[Deleted account DD]

I may just be being paranoid, but is disabling the imobiliser circuit something we should discuss in forum? I dont know myself just asking.

If the answer is yes we should then I have a few suggestions :thumbs

I tend to agree. However the info is probably out there via google

When I had my mondeo I recall on a ford forum there were clear instructions on how to "match" a key. (point it at a certain spot , click 3 times do a left spin on one leg and flash the headlights 7 times )

It wasnt just a matter of a direct copy to a new one you had to go through a sequence to link the new key to the cars system similar to the link above. never had to do it myself but it did seem to cause a few similar problems to those mentioned.

Is this a similar system on the terrano?

If so and google doesn't produce it may be bite the bullet, nissan here I come???

 

[DeeTees]

http://www.timpson.co.uk/

I thought for a second that was a gravestone engraving service

here is the page direct
http://www.timpsonlocksmiths.co.uk/key_programming.htm

Either they havent programmed it properly or you have the wrong chip.
Phone the Timspon hotline /get a rebate, and/or go to the dealer.
(strange name for a business )


Afair, when I ordered an exact replacement key from the dealer for my exact model, it failed to work after being programmed.
The chip inside was a different colour to the working key. They just took one the same colour from another key and shoved it in, then it could be programmed.

 

[lacroupade]

It is all the same company and I guess it depends whether the Goole location is a kosher locksmith outlet or just one of their key-cutting/shoe mending centres that are the more common thing to find!

I see they have a mobile capability for vehicle security though - might be worth invoking that if it gets the job done...after all the key wasn't fit for purpose and the guy clearly wasn't that clued up about what was required to complete the job...? After all its a good learning experience for them....they'll have the same issues a whole range of Nissans...

 

[riobey]

A big thank you

Thanks to everyone for their help in this-it sounds like I have got a duff key in one way or another - I may have to get on to their auto specialists-thanks again!!

 

[DeeTees]

Can't you have 2 working keys with just one good transponder chip?

Take the chip out of the good key and stick somewhere around the ignition lock.
Should work fine until your situation is resolved.

How can you sleep with the worry about the whereabouts of your ONLY working key?