Road Fuel

[lacroupade]

sorry i missed so many posts, i was outside looking for the usb port on my ecu in the dark! :augie

anyway, they do use yellow dye in some rebated fuels! so not just red diesel but yellow stuff too!

it also explodes myths about having two tanks one for red and swithcing when off road - no! according to her magesties inspectors it can not be done! if you have a tank connected to your engine even with a tap or valve that holds rebated fuel (red or yellow) it is illegal!

All interesting, if complicated, stuff!

so hang on, are you saying that you can never drive on road (apart from whatever the agricultural allowances are these days, if they still exist) in a vehicle that has red diesel capability?

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

so hang on, are you saying that you can never drive on road (apart from whatever the agricultural allowances are these days, if they still exist) in a vehicle that has red diesel capability?

Exactly! if it has rebated fuel that can be used to run the engine it is not allowed on the road!

 

[Deleted account DD]

Good one debated this neck of the woods during the snow.

Farmer fred in his big wheeled red burning jcb managed to get the district nurse around....................on the public roads :augie

 

[solarman216]

the point to the limit Karl was just that there was a huge fuss about SVO/WVO a few years back until the authorities discovered that only a tiny handful of vehicles could successfully run on it, then when home-made biodiesel came in, that too had problems that made it a seriously minority interest, so they figured it was easier to make a small concession to the alternative fuel brigade, but not one big enough that it offered an incentive to big commercial users, hence the 2500 litres/year limit. If you use 2501 litres you pay duty on THE LOT, and its a requirement that you maintain detailed records of usage for that reason but as Daved will tell you, HMRC and the scuffers aren't interested these days, unless your diesel is RED that is! LOL

Thats about it, far to difficult to police unless it is the red stuff, they always go for the easy target, and there are so many laws and by-laws that are routinely abused, did you know for instance if you want to replace your ball valve in your loft cistern that you should give your water company 7 days notice, that by-law has been in place for years, and no one takes any notice but!! if you had a guy come and look and you had used a valve that was not approved the fine can be very high, but can you imagine if every DIY er and tradesman informed every water Co of every job that needed "notice" ??? meltdown, happy thoughts, Rick

 

[11redrex]

or blue.......

 

[lacroupade]

Thats about it, far to difficult to police unless it is the red stuff, they always go for the easy target, and there are so many laws and by-laws that are routinely abused, did you know for instance if you want to replace your ball valve in your loft cistern that you should give your water company 7 days notice, that by-law has been in place for years, and no one takes any notice but!! if you had a guy come and look and you had used a valve that was not approved the fine can be very high, but can you imagine if every DIY er and tradesman informed every water Co of every job that needed "notice" ??? meltdown, happy thoughts, Rick

Oh don't start me on all that bollox Rick....that kind of rubbish drives me round the bend. I mean building regs permission, for a kosher window company thats been doing it for years, to replace your double glazing? And produce the certificate when you sell the house? Its pathetic. And all in the name of I-don't-know-what...

I remember years ago when I put a telecoms company through the old BS5650 (I think it was? ISO 9001 these days? Don't know? Don't care! LOL).....basically it was a big job creation scheme for the assessors etc.. Didn't matter a flying toss WHAT you did, could be a dangerous, incompetent, inappropriate loads of cods...just so long as you DOCUMENTED said shite then you got the standard.:doh Great for Joe Public...not.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Good one debated this neck of the woods during the snow.

Farmer fred in his big wheeled red burning jcb managed to get the district nurse around....................on the public roads :augie

The JCB - if it had a digger bucket fitted, or a post hole drill - is exempt and can use rebated, fuel it's on the web site, as can a vehicle fitted with a snow plough, or a gritter. But not a machine towing a portabe gritter or with removable gritting aquipment on board.
When you read it, it is fairly straight forward and quite comprehensive, agricultural vehicles are fairly strictly limited to what they can do using rebated fuels but a digger, or machinery for road resurfacing has no restrictions on the distance it can go on a highway.

 

[solarman216]

Oh don't start me on all that bollox Rick....that kind of rubbish drives me round the bend. I mean building regs permission, for a kosher window company thats been doing it for years, to replace your double glazing? And produce the certificate when you sell the house? Its pathetic. And all in the name of I-don't-know-what...

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It don't drive me round the bend, been ignoring it for years, and still do on all aspects, Rick

 

[Deleted account DD]

Thats about it, far to difficult to police unless it is the red stuff, they always go for the easy target,

Incorrect.

The fuel is often the minor problem on a vehicle being examined.Last one I was involved in was a stolen 4x4 with a stolen ifor loaded up with yes youve guessed it a stolen bomag.

If those checked over were honest they would probably tell you they paid duty to hmrc for the fuel disclosed but took a vdrs for the vehicles defects which go hand in hand most of the time.

Switch it round and youve got points points more points and fines with vehicle possibly prohibited and a ticking off only for a few quids worth of red.

There are also routine abusers of red. Yes theyre targeted direct but to get them onto the system is harder work than winning the apprentice.

Then theres those who are stopped on a random basis, tank dipped and "Were just using this bit this once...honest" yeh right.

However bear in mind the stuff is dyed red no ones going for the easy target..................these pillocks are virtually chucking themselves at HMRC :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

 

[kbekl]

did any one see the program last night some one had used red and kerosene in the tank and disguised it with engine oil lol

 

[briggie]

cant you just add a bit of bleach to the red diesel to make it white ? .... or is it chemically impossible ? . ( yes i know im stoopid , but i had to ask )

 

[solarman216]

................these pillocks are virtually chucking themselves at HMRC :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Agreed, and Pete no you cannot bleach the red out, and even if you did they use a chemical marker, Rick

 

[davenclaire]

biodiesel

well having done a search on the net with biodiesel selling at 116.9 ppl i cant be arsed to try and find a local supply at 10 ppl cheaper than regular feck the planet and im not making my own either

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

If you read all the rules and regs on the DVLA and customs websites, there are no hidden chemicals, no ultra violet dyes and no radiactive isotopes.

Also there are no scraping your exhaust for particle tests or any others they just dip it with what looks like a semi transparent washing up liqiud bottle with a long pipe on the end - i've had mine done enough times.

but the answer seems to be that 'NO' depsite many claims and tales there is no way to remove the dye!

I have found one interesting loophole though, but i'm not going into it in public :naughty

 

[rustic]

What about farmers using their LR's on the farm, using red diesel then when they go to market they fill up with white?

Or if you buy a car that has been using red years ago and now you own it, there could be traces of old red in the pipe and tank. Not guilty my lord.:doh

 

[Deleted account DD]

If you read all the rules and regs on the DVLA and customs websites, there are no hidden chemicals, no ultra violet dyes and no radiactive isotopes.

Also there are no scraping your exhaust for particle tests or any others they just dip it

Thank you :clap:clap:clap Ive lost track of the number of times ive posted those points..............it is all urban myth. The bit about dying the inside of your engine is absolutely laughable.

At the end of the day the legislation is with regards to you USING red on the road. NOT you may have and theres no way if the radio active isotopes and internal dye was present it hadnt got there when you were using your untaxed, uninsured, no mot'd unroadworthy vehicle to bomb round daddies farm on red ie perfectly lawfully which would make the whole planting dye and radioactive process a waste of time, completely kicked into touch by one quick sentence :lol:lol:lol:lol

but the answer seems to be that 'NO' depsite many claims and tales there is no way to remove the dye!

Ahh.............now we differ trust me , there definitely is :thumb2 a lot of time (nationally) was spent catching those behind a diesel washing plant about 7 or 8 years back first came to notice being transported around in road barrels stashed in curtain siders


Is the loophole the "tufty club" one?

 

[jace]

ive been on recieving end of running on cherry the lads were pocketing the fuel money and filling terano r3m outve bowsers from work,customs dipped it no ifs no buts i had to go mag court,i didnt turn up coz there recorded delivery letter telling me date arived after date went to crown lost there then off to vat and dutys tribunal and won took 19mths from seizure to return itd been at immingham docks storage so salt air had seized every moving part but i got it back! and no fines.

 

[makeitfit]

well having done a search on the net with biodiesel selling at 116.9 ppl i cant be arsed to try and find a local supply at 10 ppl cheaper than regular feck the planet and im not making my own either

Your not trying hard enough :sly
Even I buy it at 82p a litre :thumbs
Now that's worth a finger up at t tax man:naughty

 

[jace]

apparently the sulphur content is cherry is higher but think sulphurs good for engine lube + tractors are very exspensive and full of electronics so cant hurt an engine or tight whad farmer parmer aint gonna use it in his tractor.

 

[Peasgood]

Sulphur content is exactly the same as from a petrol station as of the beginning of this year. Red diesel is just derv with a red dye added to it.
Used to be able to use fullers earth to remove the dye, I think you have to tell the authorities now if you buy large quantities of fullers earth.