Removing instrument / gauge pod

[ronypony]

Hello all from a newbie

I wonder if anyone can help...I have done a search for a solution to my problem but can't find the answer..

Recently acquired a 2.7 TD Maverick. I have quite a few dash/instrument lights not operating correctly..When I switch ignition on I have lights operating for

oil light and air bag ...on left side of pod (also door open warning light works)

battery/ign and fuel filter (I think) ..on right side of pod

Only the right green indicator arrow works..left one not working although all indicators are functioning

The full beam light (usually blue I think ) is not operating

No other dash warning lights are operating when I switch on e.g. abs etc

Is it likely that there are bulbs blown ? I have given the pod a good thump to no avail.

If I have to remove the dash/instrument pod is it easy to do...could someone indicate the removal procedure for me so I dont mess up.

The wiper linkage bar has popped off its ball (due to wear)..so only passenger side wiper works...is replacement still available and if so will I have to go to main dealer to get it ?

Sorry so many questions in my first post...oh nearly forgot..will the cd manual available on ebay for the Terrano MK2 be useful for my 96 Mav



Thanks

Mike

 

[elty001]

instrument pod

sounds like it might be a fuse to me,the likleyhood of so many bulbs blowing at the same time seems a bit weird.if you look under the steering wheel to the left you will see a small panel that clips off revealing the fuse box.not sure of the ones you need to check but i would start there and see how you go :?

 

[ronypony]

Hi..thanks for that...should have said that I had checked fuses and all seem fine...

The fact that only one indicator arrow works suggests bulb to me...I agree with you that it would be odd for several bulbs to blow at the same time...however I have only recently bought the vehicle so I dont really know the history behind the failing dash lights....some work some don't.

It has 9 months m.o.t. on it so I reckon at least the abs bulb would have been working to get through the test...

Is it difficult to remove the instrument pod ?

Do each of the warning lights have their own bulb ?....suppose they must have since some operate independently of others..

 

[elty001]

instrument pod

is there any signs that it has been removed before i.e pry marks around the edge of plastic panels,as some one could have removed it and not clipped a plug back in properly.these sort of things are so awkard to find.if you click the search tab at the top of page then put in your problem ,it will bring up anything related.could take some time to find what you want but it might be there somewhere.happy searching :?
as for the wiper part i would try parts gateway on the web,alot of club members use them to source their parts.

 

[ronypony]

I can't say that there are obvious signs that the dash has been removed before...but I am quite prepared to take it out myself.....however without a manual I need someone to point me in the right direction...i.e. any hidden screws etc

Is the instrument pod the same in both a 96-00 Mav and a Mk 2 Terrano ?

If it is I will buy the Terrano workshop manual available on cd ?

 

[elty001]

instrument pod

sorry mate i'm not sure but i think they are the same.i downloaded my manual and it took about 10 mins to download and install it.if you p.m your email i can try and send you the relevent pages for you to have a look at.

 

[ronypony]

The plot thickens.....

Well I was up early this morning and decided to take bull by horns and attempt to get the instrument pod out....my apprehension about doing this turned out to be totally unfounded...it was easy

This is what I discovered...some of the tracks on the flimsy circuit film found on the back of the instrument cluster have corroded seriously....actually the corrosion of some of the tiny bulb contact pins was seriously bad.

I started to swop known good bulbs with those that were not working...got several warning lights to start operating..there were indeed some blown bulbs (eg one of the indicator arrow bulbs etc )and some that were so corroded they just didn't have electrical conductivity anymore.

The right side cluster is the worst in terms of corrosion...can't get the full beam warning bulb to work at all...is this necessary for m.o.t. ?

Can't get glow plug indicator bulb to work either...conductivity track is too corroded....I reckon something must have got spilt down there or something :?

The thing that concerns me most however is the ABS warning light...there is no corrosion on this part of the circuit film but the bulb was not illuminating when ignition is turned on..I swopped out the bulb for a good un !.....still not coming on when ignition is turned on. This I presume indicates a problem with the ABS....bugger !!!!

Can anyone tell me where the abs pump and ECU live on this vehicle..cos I can't see the pump under the bonnet ?

Maybe I should look to replace the entire instrument unit with one in better nick...I know it wont cure the abs problem but at least I would have all the instrument warning lights operating as long as I got a good replacement unit...what do you think...is this a good idea ?

Does anyone have a spare instrument / gauge unit for a 2.7TD Mav kicking around I might buy ?

Cheers

Mike

 

[post2124]

does your mav have abs not all trucks do mine is a 98 2.7 and it aint got it pipes should run from master across to passenger side to abs unit

 

[ronypony]

DO you know what...I don't think I do...I was out working on it all morning trying to figure it out...find the abs pump and ecu...as I said I couldn't see anything that looked like an abs unit..then I looked in the relay/fuse box under bonnet on driver's side...on the lid of the box it lists ABS Sol ...but there is nothing plugged into that socket..actually there are no connections in there to plug owt into....

After reading your post I know realise that I dont have abs..there is no abs unit under the bonnet.....yahoooo...I am a happy bunny...I was beginning to fear the worst....a complicated abs fault impossible to find....I'd rather not have abs to be honest...just something else to go wrong :lol:

I am sure that I have read somewhere that you can buy a 'pen' that can re-establish the corroded tracks on circuit board/film...

thanks for replies guys

 

[Deleted Member S]

Apart from getting another set of clocks the only other thing that might work is soldering across the breaks if you can or solder a wire across the break :roll:

 

[ronypony]

I think it would be impossible to solder on the flimsy see through film that the circuits are printed on...as soon as you brought a hot soldering iron near it it would crinkle and shrivel up :lol:

I found the repair pen I was talking about..Maplins do it..but it costs £21..could work though..I would have to remove the circuit film from the back of the instrument unit though...could prove fiddly.

Its called a conductivity pen and if anyone is interested it can be found in their electrical section.

Getting a new set of clocks might be the way to go though...maybe I'll scour the breakers for a Mav and see if I can find a good unit.

Alao found a place that will rebuild the complete unit...but we are talking £100 +..but they do give a 2 year warranty on it.

Breakers sounds best bet I reckon...

Incidentally my wife has a little Micra for doing the shopping etc..the heater would only work on setting 4...full blast. Discovered that the rehostat is the same as the Mav...followed instructions for repairing it in the downloads section...bit of solder across burnt out track and bobs yer unc..now works on all settings...she's well pleased.

 

[ronypony]

For the benefit of others who may experience similar problems this is how I fixed a few of those faults mentioned at top of this thread.

I tackled the wiper problem first.

The wiper linkage bar/arm that connects both wiper spindles had worn and popped off one of its 'balls' (its a ball and socket connection)

1. Removed wiper arms from spindles.
2. Removed plastic shrouding that goes full length of windscreen
3. Under this there are two small irregular shaped plates held in with 5
screws...removed the o/s plate.
4.The wiper spindle arrangement is held in by 3 small bolts.Removed
them and out came the spindle and worn linkage arm.(drivers side)
5. Used flat bladed screw driver to disengage the end of arm that was still
connected to the drivers's side spindle..it popped off fairly easily.
6. Used a G Clamp with trigger action to 'pop' both ends of new linkage
arm back on their respective 'balls'
7.Replaced plate and plastic shrouding..refitted wiper arms and blades.

New linkage arm/bar was £14 inc v.a.t from Fords

A working pair of wipers again...kind of essential item when it rains :smile:

The dash bulbs were next...it was very easy to get to the instrument gauge pod.

1. Remove lower trim panel below steering wheel.
2. Undo the 3 screws on the 'roof' of gauge pod surround and 2 other
screws at side of surround. It will come away with ease..watch for clips
that secure the gauge surround with lower panel...I managed to snap
one off in my excitement.
3. Four screws hold gauge pod in place..once undone the pod pulls easily
away from the speedo cable connection
4. Identified those bulbs which were malfunctioning and replaced them...
only one I could not get to work was 'main beam' warning light because
the track for it on the flimsy circuit film on back of gauge pod has
almost disappeared because of corrosion.

New bulbs were £2.74 each....ouch..thats expensive I need 5 of em.


I don't have ABS so no fault there as I first thought...hurrah !

I still have the problem of a missing bolt from very top of clutch pedal...went to scrappy and discovered that the pedal is held in with an 'allen' type bolt...couldn't get to bolt in the Terrano I found in scrappies beacuse of vehicles piled up both sides of it...simply no room to manuvour..very frustrating...I want to get this fixed pronto..

The four bolts that hold the tow ball onto the tow bar are seriously corroded...they had plastic caps on em...perfect for allowing water to get trapped in there....will be replacing those before I hitch the caravan up...vision of self propelled caravan on M6 flashed into my mind... 8O

Getting there with the niggles...but I do like this vehicle...no regrets so far in buying it..

The top of the steering wheel is very 'loose' and a bit floppy as if heat from the sun has affected it over the last 11 years..it was exactly the same with the Terrano in the scrappy...not sure how to solve that one

 

[mav]

Thanks Ronypony for taking the time to write a detailed post on your repairs and how they were carried out.
This is sure to help other members.

Mav.

 

[ronypony]

No worries Mav...pleased to help anyone out if I can :smile:

 

[Liam]

For the benefit of others who may experience similar problems this is how I fixed a few of those faults mentioned at top of this thread.

I tackled the wiper problem first.

The wiper linkage bar/arm that connects both wiper spindles had worn and popped off one of its 'balls' (its a ball and socket connection)

1. Removed wiper arms from spindles.
2. Removed plastic shrouding that goes full length of windscreen
3. Under this there are two small irregular shaped plates held in with 5
screws...removed the o/s plate.
4.The wiper spindle arrangement is held in by 3 small bolts.Removed
them and out came the spindle and worn linkage arm.(drivers side)
5. Used flat bladed screw driver to disengage the end of arm that was still
connected to the drivers's side spindle..it popped off fairly easily.
6. Used a G Clamp with trigger action to 'pop' both ends of new linkage
arm back on their respective 'balls'
7.Replaced plate and plastic shrouding..refitted wiper arms and blades.

New linkage arm/bar was £14 inc v.a.t from Fords

A working pair of wipers again...kind of essential item when it rains :smile:

The dash bulbs were next...it was very easy to get to the instrument gauge pod.

1. Remove lower trim panel below steering wheel.
2. Undo the 3 screws on the 'roof' of gauge pod surround and 2 other
screws at side of surround. It will come away with ease..watch for clips
that secure the gauge surround with lower panel...I managed to snap
one off in my excitement.
3. Four screws hold gauge pod in place..once undone the pod pulls easily
away from the speedo cable connection
4. Identified those bulbs which were malfunctioning and replaced them...
only one I could not get to work was 'main beam' warning light because
the track for it on the flimsy circuit film on back of gauge pod has
almost disappeared because of corrosion.

New bulbs were £2.74 each....ouch..thats expensive I need 5 of em.


I don't have ABS so no fault there as I first thought...hurrah !

I still have the problem of a missing bolt from very top of clutch pedal...went to scrappy and discovered that the pedal is held in with an 'allen' type bolt...couldn't get to bolt in the Terrano I found in scrappies beacuse of vehicles piled up both sides of it...simply no room to manuvour..very frustrating...I want to get this fixed pronto..

The four bolts that hold the tow ball onto the tow bar are seriously corroded...they had plastic caps on em...perfect for allowing water to get trapped in there....will be replacing those before I hitch the caravan up...vision of self propelled caravan on M6 flashed into my mind... 8O

Getting there with the niggles...but I do like this vehicle...no regrets so far in buying it..

The top of the steering wheel is very 'loose' and a bit floppy as if heat from the sun has affected it over the last 11 years..it was exactly the same with the Terrano in the scrappy...not sure how to solve that one

Hi, I seem to recall hearing somewhere that the sloppiness you refer to in the steering wheel can be repaired by squeezing some super glue through a syringe into it and possibly clamping or holding it for a few minutes until it sets. Might be worth a try but be sure to use a clean syringe with a fine needle. Let me know if it works.