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felixthelogchopper said:
Contract is void for mutual mistake ( Raffles v Wichelhaus ) as you thought you were buying something that you weren't, ie a vehicle capable of towing your horsebox. If the salesroom you bought from get sniffy about it, mention the fact that you were supposedly dealing with an expert in your position as an amateur and so their opinion is held to be legally relied upon as to the nature of the inducement offered, namely the towing ability ( Esso Petroleum Co. Ltd v Mardon ). Above all, this is what Trading Standards are there for so let them do the hard work :thumbs
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With respect, the Esso case was about a duff prediction of future sales volume, as opposed to a statement that a particular criteria would meet a parties specified requirement. Neither was this a 'mutual mistake' IMHO although I see where you are coming from....this is a clear cut case of misrepresentation by the seller (the alleged expert) in respect of a condition specified by the buyer.

And don't rely too heavily on Trading Standards in this case....they will probably advise both parties of what the law says in this situation, but if push came to shove it would still reuire legal action by the buyer to remedy the position.:thumb2
 
some interesint towing stuff can be found here:

http://www.iwt.co.uk/customer-care/faq-categories/towing-laws

TT2 bear inmind the traine wiegts stamped on vehicles are absolute when using a commercial variant, but i beleive there is some legal flexibility if it is a car, there was a test case in court where a Nissan serena was towing beyoind it's gross weight (delivering a car on a trailer). The nissan dealer claimed the train weight on the plate reffered to the van it was converted from (at the nissan factory) and not the car it now was - they won!
 
AW HELP HELP HELP!!!

Nissan are saying 2.8 tonnes!! DVLA saying max towing weight (by law) is GVW (2580kg) - GTW (4280kg) as per stamped on the VIN plate!! Which equals 1700kg!! Garage trying to be helpful but said if Nissan say 2.8 tonnes then that's what it is!!! I then said about DVLA and he said Oh. He would need to look further into this to get clarification of the tow weight before taking anything any further! Where can I get something difinitive or someone who will tell them difinitively it is 1700kg?!!!!?


AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
 
Oh and whilst its all beautifully listed on Parkers, according to the sales manager, the motor trade have boycotted Parkers as they had conflicting and wrong information. But by his own addmission, Glass's don't have the vehicle's data!!!!!
 
At the end of the day, however you interpret any plate re gross train weight etc if you tow more than the rated spec of the vehicle, which for an auto T2 is way below youre required 2.5t, you have an unroadworthy vehicle.

You faceknacking your auto box , prosecution for overloading, and not being covered insurance wise :(
 
cm2581 said:
AW HELP HELP HELP!!!

Nissan are saying 2.8 tonnes!! DVLA saying max towing weight (by law) is GVW (2580kg) - GTW (4280kg) as per stamped on the VIN plate!! Which equals 1700kg!! Garage trying to be helpful but said if Nissan say 2.8 tonnes then that's what it is!!! I then said about DVLA and he said Oh. He would need to look further into this to get clarification of the tow weight before taking anything any further! Where can I get something difinitive or someone who will tell them difinitively it is 1700kg?!!!!?


AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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The definitive answer is on the vin plate if its says 1700kg then thats that.
 
I've just phoned our local dealer and spoke to the service manager, his official nissan documents state no diffference manual to auto and a capacity of 2800 kilos for a 2.7 td and a 2.7 tdi. However the same document states the auto 3.0 can tow 2000k and the manual 3000k, so a tonne difference! which seems to be at odds with other opinions!
 
On another slant on your requirements, you mention you want to tow 2.5 tonne, have you actually weighed the trailer or the horses to check their actual weight, or are you going by the trailer plate and the vets estimate?

I have had my manual 2.7TD nearly 16 years and I was not aware of the much lower towing capacity of the Automatic.

It looks on paper then that the 2 litre mondeo could legally tow my boat and trailer, even though it is 26feet overall and close to 2 tonne.:eek:

Hmm..... I know what I would rather tow with.... :thumbs
 
Trailer is 935kg empty. One horse is heavier than last time on weighbridge which was 635kg!! Other horse is a bit lighterweight but still a good 550kg. 2.1 tonnes would see me legal but 2.5 would give leway for big hills. I used to tow one horse in trailer with amondeo and it was rated to tow 1.8 tonnes. It was actually great at the job and never struggled!
 
cm2581 said:
Trailer is 935kg empty. One horse is heavier than last time on weighbridge which was 635kg!! Other horse is a bit lighterweight but still a good 550kg. 2.1 tonnes would see me legal but 2.5 would give leway for big hills. I used to tow one horse in trailer with amondeo and it was rated to tow 1.8 tonnes. It was actually great at the job and never struggled!
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rmember if the gorss weight of your trailer as indicated on the plate, is greater than the gross towing weight of your car you can't tow it, regardless of whether it's full or empty! check the Ifor williams link i posted to check on this!

Having said all that - would I tow a trailer, carrying two horses with an automatic 2.7 Tdi T2? Yes i would!
 
Ive always fancied an auto. Hence one reason i have the car I now drive.

When I looked at T2s I do remember the tow limit on my manual was 2.8 tonnes. I also clearly remember everywhere I looked the auto was listed as a tonne or thereabouts less. The reason I remember this so clearly is because caravan we looking at was 1.6tonnes all up and I was gobsmacked it was so close to the limit for the auto.

The auto is limited by the auto box, its nothing to do with the stability or gross weight ( ie the 80% or otherwise match).

Seems a bit of a faux pas by nissan tbh.
 
on the other hand, i'm finding it difficult to find any info pointing to the 1.8 tonne limit for an auto, if anyone has any please post a link!
 
cm2581 said:
AW HELP HELP HELP!!!

Nissan are saying 2.8 tonnes!! DVLA saying max towing weight (by law) is GVW (2580kg) - GTW (4280kg) as per stamped on the VIN plate!! Which equals 1700kg!! Garage trying to be helpful but said if Nissan say 2.8 tonnes then that's what it is!!! I then said about DVLA and he said Oh. He would need to look further into this to get clarification of the tow weight before taking anything any further! Where can I get something difinitive or someone who will tell them difinitively it is 1700kg?!!!!?


AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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Nissan who exactly? Have you phoned their UK head office (Beaconsfield I think?) and asked the? Or maybe someone has an original users manual.

Is the towing weight specd in the workshop manual I wonder?
 
lacroupade said:
Nissan who exactly? Have you phoned their UK head office (Beaconsfield I think?) and asked the? Or maybe someone has an original users manual.

Is the towing weight specd in the workshop manual I wonder?
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I have an original usuers manual and it doesnt mention towing capacities, i've checked. And i called out local dealership who put me on hold whil ehe reffered to some other Nissan place to verify his ducmentation and 'on screen' info and he can't find reference to the difference between manual and auto.
 
PLANK said:
I have an original usuers manual and it doesnt mention towing capacities, i've checked. And i called out local dealership who put me on hold whil ehe reffered to some other Nissan place to verify his ducmentation and 'on screen' info and he can't find reference to the difference between manual and auto.
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FFS its all on the vin plate dont need to phone anyone!
 
PLANK said:
I have an original usuers manual and it doesnt mention towing capacities, i've checked. And i called out local dealership who put me on hold whil ehe reffered to some other Nissan place to verify his ducmentation and 'on screen' info and he can't find reference to the difference between manual and auto.
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well you never know, could be looking at another eureka moment, in which case the OP will be a happy bunny.

But surely the user manual must cover towing weights somewhere?:nenau
 
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