Pls Help! Towing weight woes!!

[briggie]

It was Nissan UK customer services that said to me and seperately to the dealer 2.8 tonnes! And that was technically correct and he would stand by that - Daniel was his name!! It's this being said by them that is my stumbling block with the dealer I bought the car from!

i suggest you get it in writing from nissan uk , or ask for a second opinion from them

 

[cncfabs]

read the thread, it's more complicated than that!

Its not complicated at all the maximum trailer gross weight is calculated by subtracting the gvw from the gtw simple as that.

 

[Deleted account DD]

It was Nissan UK customer services that said to me and seperately to the dealer 2.8 tonnes! And that was technically correct and he would stand by that - Daniel was his name!! It's this being said by them that is my stumbling block with the dealer I bought the car from!

wouldn't criticise Daniel in any way shape or form, but if he is reading , interpreting or more relevantly misreading from a vdu screen.

We are talking about the same customer services who couldn't tell me or the local dealer what colours were used on the bottom half of the two tone 2002 trucks

 

[lacroupade]

Its not complicated at all the maximum trailer gross weight is calculated by subtracting the gvw from the gtw simple as that.

cncfabs is correct, as is daved....heres the DoT link if the dealer needs any more convincing.....

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/towingwithvehiclesfrequently4577

and I'm telling you Nissan are wrong. I wish I still had the handbook for my auto because thats where I originally found the information ten years ago....

 

[cm2581]

cncfabs is correct, as is daved....heres the DoT link if the dealer needs any more convincing.....

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/towingwithvehiclesfrequently4577

and I'm telling you Nissan are wrong. I wish I still had the handbook for my auto because thats where I originally found the information ten years ago....

I have the original handbook and I can't find it anywhere!!! Will scrutinise more closely tonight!

 

[briggie]

just done a bit of searching .... it seems nissan japan are very customer focused , unlike nissan europe and nissan uk .

worth an e mail ?

http://www.nissan.co.jp

 

[Deleted account DD]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/towingwithvehiclesfrequently4577

well found :thumb2

theyre the bosses

ive got as far as con & use 1986 which is telling me al about vin plates, think I'll stop now :doh

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

the towing wieight is the train weight minus the gross weight both are on your plate;

4280 - 2580 = 1700 k

he pointed these figures out to you, but it seems he didn't understand them!

so take it back!

i said that on page one! :augie

 

[lacroupade]

i said that on page one! :augie

ah but did you have the courage of your convictions?:augie

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

ah but did you have the courage of your convictions?:augie

as i said there have been test cases (brought before a court) that have challeneged this and won!

In the case of this thread i beleive it starts and ends with this informatin, and the dealers inability to understand the data on the plate, he is after all the perosn who is supposed to understand and sod the vehicle on the basis of his ignorance.

 

[rustic]

I guess it's all on the Plate.

My 2.7 TD LWB 1995 manual Maverick states the following:-

2580 kg This will be the Gross vehicle weight. (Axle 1 + Axle 2)

5360 kg This is Gross train weight. (Laden car + laden Trailer)

1 1160 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Front axle

2 1140 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Rear axle


If you subtract the Gross Vehicle weight from the Gross train weight, you will get the maximum towing weight.


5360 kg - 2580 kg = 2780 kg
My maximum gross weight for my trailer is 2500 kg so my set up is totally legal. :thumbs

Do the maths on your rating plate and see what the result is.

I have read somewhere that the law allow a percentage over load before they actually prosecute, but insurance companies may not if they don't want to pay out.
As long as there is a loop hole they won't pay out. :doh

 

[Deleted account DD]

as i said there have been test cases (brought before a court) that have challeneged this and won!

go on....................


youve got my interest there :thumb2

 

[cm2581]

as i said there have been test cases (brought before a court) that have challeneged this and won!

In the case of this thread i beleive it starts and ends with this informatin, and the dealers inability to understand the data on the plate, he is after all the perosn who is supposed to understand and sod the vehicle on the basis of his ignorance.

Can you come with me to the dealership?!!

 

[briggie]

official nissan specs

http://www.nissanpress.co.uk/press_.../2003/Terrano-engine-data-dimensions_2003.pdf

 

[lacroupade]

Can you come with me to the dealership?!!

he doesn't need to.....the DoT site expresses the law as it currently stands.:thumb2

 

[Deleted account DD]

I guess it's all on the Plate.

My 2.7 TD LWB 1995 manual Maverick states the following:-

2580 kg This will be the Gross vehicle weight. (Axle 1 + Axle 2)

5360 kg This is Gross train weight. (Laden car + laden Trailer)

1 1160 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Front axle

2 1140 kg Maximum permitted axle load of Mav on Rear axle


If you subtract the Gross Vehicle weight from the Gross train weight, you will get the maximum towing weight.


5360 kg - 2580 kg = 2780 kg
My maximum gross weight for my trailer is 2500 kg so my set up is totally legal. :thumbs

Looks like the right conclusion but theres no way 1160 + 1140 = 2580 :augie:augie

 

[lacroupade]

http://www.nissanpress.co.uk/press_.../2003/Terrano-engine-data-dimensions_2003.pdf

actually while that link doesn't cover the 2.7 auto it DOES confirm that internet data for the 3.0 ltr is wrong and that, like the 2.7, the 3.0 ltr auto version has a LOWER towing weight.:thumb2

 

[Deleted account DD]

This is getting surreal and possibly for some a bit disappointing

 

[lacroupade]

Looks like the right conclusion but theres no way 1160 + 1140 = 2580 :augie:augie

Now you ARE confusing me...what has permitted axle weight got to do with towing weight, other than the extent to which it is influenced by the trailers noseweight?

 

[briggie]

this may help

if you look under " dimensions " on the following link , it gives some interesting figures :naughty

http://www.lestacarcentre.co.uk/use...se-touring-5dr-auto-leicester-201050375342294