LSD front ?

[makeitfit]

Is it possible to get LSD on the front axle too?(on mav)
OR is there a diff lock kit that isnt mortgage money? Perhaps another vehicle donor?

 

[Terranosaurus]

I ave a plan and I've bought the bits but they're in Co-duram or Northumberland somewhere, won't get to it till march though - will keep you posted.

 

[makeitfit]

Now I'm on the edge of my seat
Let me know your plan when you can cheers

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Is it possible to get LSD on the front axle too?(on mav)
OR is there a diff lock kit that isnt mortgage money? Perhaps another vehicle donor?

from memory an LSD would suit any vehicle regardless of auto, manual or fixed hubs.
for an mechanical (detriot) type would need manual hubs to protect from effecting
steering on road.
finally an off/on locker like ARB/air/electric probable best with manual or fixed hubs.

think would go lsd as automatic like hubs and rear lsd. KISS principle:

keep it simple, stupid! thats me alright crazy crazy (days) & nites....

 

[terranokid]

They did make a R180 diff with lsd but I dont know what vehicle it was fitted too.
It has been disscussed before on this site have you tried doing a search.

I think that it was decided that there could be a possible problem with transmission wind up as at the moment hopefully one of the front wheels will spin and relieve the windup when on loose ground but with two lsd diffs you would have to get two wheels on the same axle to spin.

 

[Terranosaurus]

I think that it was decided that there could be a possible problem with transmission wind up as at the moment hopefully one of the front wheels will spin and relieve the windup when on loose ground but with two lsd diffs you would have to get two wheels on the same axle to spin.

Well if it was"decided" it was wrong - limited slip differential not no slip the clue is in the name.

As Thomas.... has said you'd hae to be careful with a detroit locker not that is available for the R180 (or R190,R200) that I am aware. Even if they were they wouldn't be suitable for use with a late model on drive flanges and with fwh you'd need to ensure you unlocked em everytime you went near anything hard, not to avoid te dreaded wind up but to make sure you retain steering.

Likewise theres no ARB airlocker for the R180 though it is possible to change to an R190 or R200 but you then need to start importing crown wheel and pinions as they weren't used on anything witha suitable ratio in the UK. With current exchage rates not an attractive prospect.

Some Nissans and old Datsuns used the R180 with a plate stlyle LSD and also some with a viscous. Problem is finding the plate style ones, they've all been snapped up fr drift cars and later stuff used the larger R190 and R200 diffs.

I've got one of the viscous types but I haven't heard of anyone transplanting one of these. The spline count may be wrong, the bolt pattern on the crownwheel may be different I don't know thats why I'm not annoncing where it came from etc so other people don't go out and do it and find it doesn't work. I got all the bits I needed (I hope) cheap off ebay from a place very close to a friends father - hence I've not got to se them yet as he's not had chance to drop em down yet - will keep you posted.


PS could do with a fron diff and driveshafts assembly to play with for this, save me taking mine to bits to find out if it will work.

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

They did make a R180 diff with lsd but I dont know what vehicle it was fitted too.
It has been disscussed before on this site have you tried doing a search.

I think that it was decided that there could be a possible problem with transmission wind up as at the moment hopefully one of the front wheels will spin and relieve the windup when on loose ground but with two lsd diffs you would have to get two wheels on the same axle to spin.

If wind up was such a problem then surely would be same issue with rear pumpkin's lsd.

First question, have you been stuck enough to justify all the work TRS is suggesting,
yep I had this conversation with Simon before.

Reckon with good ATs or MT2, the rear LSD and locked in 4hi/lo its vertually unstop-
able as lsd makes up for ifs's lack of articulation compared to dual live axle setups
typically from the green oval.

then can look at making bit more space for more floatation tyres, ie upto 33s with
corresponding extra width. traction is more important, well just, than articulation
is in allrounders like our trucks - unless your running it as pay'n'play trailered toy.

After tyres should be looking at recovery gear, winch : elecy or tirfor; straps etc.
plus there really should be atleast 1 other vehicle with you. Worse case scenario
better to admit defeat and retreat if a ROW/GL, to avoid further damage to track
or truck(s)...Tread Lightly, preach over!!

 

[lacroupade]

TtT2, absolutely agree with your comment about traction being generally more important than articulation, certainly in daily motoring terms.

Because I run all-round tyres with a pattern suited to mixed use and low road noise, I've almost been caught out a couple of times in the recent snow, once when trying to climb a relatively shallow hill and the other when I slid into a snowdrift that left my front wheel six inches from a three foot ditch (about five miles from the nearest road!).

Even with low-range 4wd I struggled to extract myself in both cases......similarly, even very slow descents on snow-covered roads (especially when one met an A-road at the bottom of the hill!) were fraught!

Sadly tyres for these babies aren't cheap, but if I could afford it Id have a spare set of wheels/yres for such conditions!

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

well we run general grabber at2s, which are coming upto 3 years old,and 36,000
miles no issues than inside rubbing as these trucks prone to. survived langdale
and most of derbyshire lanes. engine braking in snow last few days better than
expected.

The truck will do an indicated 90mph but its not what its built for and find seems
ti run best at 60-65mph. With this in mind will be going a slightly more aggresive
pattern when change up. Got my eye on kumho kl71s which according to their
site are as good as the their at pattern plus better on gravel and mud.

keeping speed down to somewhere around where it tows well ie 60-65 again reckon
will get away without too much roar and frankly they look the dogs... chunky yet
'sporty' if thats the word. reckon be better extracting twin axle van from rally fields.

going to start by swapping spares over, then can try them in 2wd with rear LSD,
then getting fronts done retaining 2 best at2s as spares.

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

235/75x15s
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m26b464s95p0

£62 each seems good before delivery and fitting.

appreciate going off topic but is traction related.

 

[Deleted Member S]

I ave a plan and I've bought the bits but they're in Co-duram or Northumberland somewhere, won't get to it till march though - will keep you posted.

If you need it collecting TRS let me know as it's not that far from me:thumb2

 

[Terranosaurus]

If you need it collecting TRS let me know as it's not that far from me:thumb2

Thanks for the offer mate but Dave should be going up to see his Dad soon enough and he'l drop it down to me then - won't have time till after Mac anyway so no hurry.

 

[Deleted Member S]

Thanks for the offer mate but Dave should be going up to see his Dad soon enough and he'l drop it down to me then - won't have time till after Mac anyway so no hurry.

No probs m8:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2

 

[lacroupade]

36k miles on any tyre on these is pretty damned good! Any problems with road noise on the General Grabbers? Love the look of the Kumhos I must say!

 

[makeitfit]

Hello again only me
I'm back to let you know why I posed the topic..
On our recent team wales mini meet the only time I struggled against the dreaded green oval mob was when my front wheel/s couldn't get enough grip OR climb out of a deep rut.
I was on Insa turbo tyres which are pretty damn good in the dirt, so put the failings down to only one wheel driven at the front!
The landies with all manner of air lock diff lock !! all wheel drive multi thousand pound kit were up and gone
So I was wondering if something could be gashed together WITHOUT silly money, to help with traction up front
I'm not expecting to run off road tyres on road as will be using two sets for obvious reasons.
If manuals hubs will help then cool.:naughty

 

[Deleted Member S]

If manuals hubs will help then cool.:naughty

I don't think manuals will give you what your wanting due to the fact that once FWH have locked they are locked like manual hubs but have the poss of saving your UJ's or drive shafts by leting go before 1st

 

[extreme-4x4]

makeitfit (Pete)
the landy's you mentioned are defenders that run with 2 inch spring lifts 2 inch body lifts they had 37 inch tyres on and soon to be getting 39 inch simex fitted oh and air locking diffs on both axles. plus loads of other shit we cant afford

there is always something we wont compete on with that set up , but we can beat other landy's. sj's shoguns etc even with lots of toys

the first issue we have is ground clearance if you go anywhere you get grounded, your stuck same as those landy's and where we got stuck so did Malcolm (the front landy) he had to winch 4 times i believe, and only pulled me once... but if your wheels don't touch the ground that's it your staying there, no matter what tyres you have on.
they have a good 4 inches more than us to the diffs. and 12 inches elsewhere running on 31's we are up to the max unless we body lift too but bluebull is having issues with that sort of lift ( and thats not going to lift the diff), so im thinking of less offset on the wheels for lock to lock giving more space to go bigger tyres, if i cut the arches (see icelanic ones) that should give me 33 or 34 inch wheels without effecting running gear possitions *for daily use *

if we can get up to 33 or 34 inches we could go for proper simex tyres , i dont care what anyone says those simex are good and the copies are copies and not like the real thing. i have seen them both together next to copies and they are close looking but they are not the same proper simex the tread sticks out a good 1.5 - 2 inches from the side

second issue is we use our trucks *for daily use* so the wear on stuff if massive compared to those landy's malcolms dont go on the road unless its to the mountain and howard pics his kid up from school in his 2 miles a day thats it.
so they have set there's up for just off road. and lets face it, they are almost up to competition spec in fact malcolm does competitions with a chap from devon 4x4 and gwyn lewis so it really is no competition for us or that disco that was with us. who had 2" spring lift insa turbo's on etc and he had to be dragged through the lot same as louisa who had no lift. so we did bloody good stuff on the team wales outing and showed them landy's aint king.

so if you trim the arches and go as big as you can on tyres. then go for spare full off road tyres like aligator or anaconda
http://www.sowdentyres.co.uk/greenway-tyres.html that will give you all the lift you will get then the most grip you can have . for our budget.

then your up to the limit for us heavy road users

trimming the plastic is obvious
you can try body lift too later
tow bars are killers for of road
id like to try one of those exhaust jacks for recovery

but off roading essential list is
1 recovery stuff
2 tyres
3 lift
4 know your limits (that track was the limit for a t2/mav)
even howard and malcolm aint in any hurry to go down there again

but back to your original question arb do air lockers for a t2 front and back its about 1.5 grand but i dont need to go anywhere that requires 1.5 grand entrace fee

the only other problem is with those big landy's is driver mentality. to them its just a tool to do a job (of having fun) if it breaks or wont do something to them its the tools fault not the terrain or the driver.
when it breaks and it does often, they fix it so it will do what the want it to do. ie howard is spending 1.5 grand on wheels and tyres just to go up 1 inch lift on what he has. his winch is 1.2 grand + plus everything else

so now i have the recovery kit (and i mean everything)
winch will go on
maybe one on the back later too
tyres will be as big as i can get and arches trimmed full off road tyres
small skid pan on front

but for our money its


recovery recovery recovery, look first and know when to stop


remember we still have to drive to work in it the next day safe and comfortable

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

traction control

what you need is traction control abs/ebd.

but with the electricery so why not apply brakes
slightly as well as throttle, then any spining wheel
will be slowed and the opposite wheel take the
torque, its only what the above systems do.

after all you dont need the clutch once moving
and you shouldn't change gear mid manoverue.

as said also look what money pits beat you outta
that hole. got to let them have some (false) pride
for their money/trucks let em beat you once in a
while otherwise we'll have all sorts of numpties
by our trucks and parts industry will go bust too.

Sometimes its better to be the underdog I reckon.

 

[lacroupade]

Agree Extreme's points; having owned a Landy in the past my view is (i) its great to have a truck that you can throw about and not worry about damaging cos its basically an agricultural vehicle not built for looks, and (ii) they break, then they break again, and again and again...

Plus the kind of money you have to shell out for even some beatup old piece of sh*t would buy you a very nice T2 thank you - I nearly got the wife a Landy but ended up giving her my old 99-plate SE with 160k on the clock - the engine is running like a sewing machine and apart from some rust on the tailgate she goes like a train still...probably not worth more than £2k on the market, which would buy a 20-year old crap Landy if you were lucky, plus since when did the Landy have sunroof, aircon, auto etc.. - so I think I'll stick to me T2 with some knobbly rubber thanks.

And now Mrs L is embarrassing me by offroading alone in the welsh forests in 8 inches of snow just to take the doggies for a walk...:bow

 

[zippy656]

And now Mrs L is embarrassing me by offroading alone in the welsh forests in 8 inches of snow just to take the doggies for a walk...


and doing better that you to boot! im sure