right took the plunge as the car was getting worse and took out all the injectors and had them tested and the needle in injector no1 was stuck open and the other 3 were not great so they are getting new nozles for £48 +vat each they tested the needle lift sensor and the resistance was what it should be and he said when they fail 99% of the time if resistance is ok then sensor is fine (how true is this) the rod for sensor was freely moving as well:thumbs so if the main needle was stock open then the needle lift sensor would not see the injector working so hense the rough running at idle hope this is the case will no by wed as thats when i get the injectors back:thumb2