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[jims-terrano]

That does seem strange about not locating the DVR elsewhere so it's hidden from intruders.

OK it was incorrect typing but I’m sure you got the idea of keeping the DVR hidden from intruders. No body is perfect.

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

Hiding it is good, but do be careful how well you hide it...

It needs to be near to a reasonable TV/monitor, especially if you go for the 4K one, as you may want to be able to look closely at the images. Obviously the bigger and better the TV/monitor, the more cameras you can clearly monitor at once as well. With our 50" TV, you can clearly watch all 8 at the same time, but when I was setting it up on the little 19", you could only really watch one at a time, as the image got too small on the others. On Playback, you can select up to 4 cameras at a time to watch, which can be handy when trying to find the actual time an event occurred.

You will need to spend some time sitting in front of it when you set it up, learn how to use it, and again when actually looking for something, so a comfy seated position is best.

It wants to be somewhere where the Temperature does not get too extreme. Lofts can get very hot in the summer, and that will kill the Hard Disk Drive.

When I used to install voice recording systems, one of the biggest issues was because they are a passive device, you tend to only go to use them when you actually need to find a recording, which in the ideal world is hardly ever. This means that if something has gone wrong with the equipment, you won't notice until it is too late. A lot of systems send Emails when things are not right, but of course, if the whole system dies, it can't send an email, which by default means every thing is OK. It needs to be somewhere where you will look at it every so often, ideally daily, to make sure the lights are on, and there are no beeps etc.

Spiders are obsessed with the cameras, and again, a quick glance soon tells you is one has decided to live on the lens... Login in remotely is good, but it's not as easy as just switching the TV to one of the HDMI inputs for a quick look. My Neighbour actually uses theirs to decide if they will answer the door or not.

I know a lot of these things can be done remotely, but it is much slower, it takes time to log in, then any recordings you want to view will need to be downloaded over the Net, which does take time, especially if you are viewing more than one camera's recordings, so I find that for ease, I go back to the NVR when I am really searching for something.

Just my 2cents worth...:doh:lol

 

[macabethiel]

Sorry did not realise it was a typo.lol

OK it was incorrect typing but I’m sure you got the idea of keeping the DVR hidden from intruders. No body is perfect.

Okay you are forgiven but at least you know I read what you actually post!

 

[macabethiel]

Spiders used to set of our alarm system.

Hiding it is good, but do be careful how well you hide it...

It needs to be near to a reasonable TV/monitor, especially if you go for the 4K one, as you may want to be able to look closely at the images. Obviously the bigger and better the TV/monitor, the more cameras you can clearly monitor at once as well. With our 50" TV, you can clearly watch all 8 at the same time, but when I was setting it up on the little 19", you could only really watch one at a time, as the image got too small on the others. On Playback, you can select up to 4 cameras at a time to watch, which can be handy when trying to find the actual time an event occurred.

You will need to spend some time sitting in front of it when you set it up, learn how to use it, and again when actually looking for something, so a comfy seated position is best.

It wants to be somewhere where the Temperature does not get too extreme. Lofts can get very hot in the summer, and that will kill the Hard Disk Drive.

When I used to install voice recording systems, one of the biggest issues was because they are a passive device, you tend to only go to use them when you actually need to find a recording, which in the ideal world is hardly ever. This means that if something has gone wrong with the equipment, you won't notice until it is too late. A lot of systems send Emails when things are not right, but of course, if the whole system dies, it can't send an email, which by default means every thing is OK. It needs to be somewhere where you will look at it every so often, ideally daily, to make sure the lights are on, and there are no beeps etc.

Spiders are obsessed with the cameras, and again, a quick glance soon tells you is one has decided to live on the lens... Login in remotely is good, but it's not as easy as just switching the TV to one of the HDMI inputs for a quick look. My Neighbour actually uses theirs to decide if they will answer the door or not.

I know a lot of these things can be done remotely, but it is much slower, it takes time to log in, then any recordings you want to view will need to be downloaded over the Net, which does take time, especially if you are viewing more than one camera's recordings, so I find that for ease, I go back to the NVR when I am really searching for something.

Just my 2cents worth...:doh:lol

Thanks for the detail in your post. As we will have a large screen 4k TV in our bedroom I intend to put the DVR box in the eaves storage in the same room. The eaves are well insulated now and will be free from rapid changes in temperature & humidity. On the plus side that side of the house roof is North facing so gets no direct sunlight.

Before the fire it used to be a fairly constant 63 F as being the Sado I am I used to monitor my loft, bedroom, & eaves temperature with an aquarium digital thermometer. I used silicone sealer to stop spiders nesting in our motion sensors in our downstairs rooms.

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

I used silicone sealer to stop spiders nesting in our motion sensors in our downstairs rooms.

OK, you can't make a statement like that with out more information!!! Is it the smell? How long does it last?

 

[macabethiel]

OK, you can't make a statement like that with out more information!!! Is it the smell? How long does it last?

I asked for that I guess it's the PIR thingy.

 

[macabethiel]

Hickvision V Lorex

Right after getting my head into gear. A friend of mine fits CCTV and he highly recommends Hikvision equipment with 5mp cameras. As said run cat5 which in case anyone isn’t sure it’s network cabling what is used for computers. He also sent me links for various adapters and a power supply.
He advised me not to locate the DVR (main control box and recorder) in a different room to the tv or basically hidden from burglars. He did recommend a monitor screen in the room you spend most of your time, personally I don’t like that idea but as most systems have a web interface I feel any device such as a tablet or laptop will be able to view the live feeds at any point or even connected to main tv setup. He also said if you think you’ll use 4 cameras get an 8 channel dvr basically so you can expand.
Ask away about cat5 cabling as I’ve got the tools to do it and maybe now is the time whilst building work is being carried out to run your cables even before you get a system.

Just been comparing the Hikvision with the Lorex and they seem similar in many ways probably a tad cheaper at first surf.

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

Just been comparing the Hikvision with the Lorex and they seem similar in many ways probably a tad cheaper at first surf.

From reading between the lines when we were doing our research, it looks like Lorex seem to do a lot of badge engineering, and are basically a systems seller, making them up from other peoples components. Flir, Hikvision, and Dahua seem to be the main people they assemble from.

 

[Banshee]

Lets start pinging some links up boys and scrutinizing the best setups for the money, I too am in the market for an 8 Channel system for my new house

 

[macabethiel]

From reading between the lines when we were doing our research, it looks like Lorex seem to do a lot of badge engineering, and are basically a systems seller, making them up from other peoples components. Flir, Hikvision, and Dahua seem to be the main people they assemble from.

The Lorex 4 k system I looked at on e-bay is a 4 mp camera against the Hickvision being 6 mp camera. The mounting on the Lorex is more suited to where I would mount the external cameras. The Dome mounting is great for some but would not be suitable as our Eaves are too low making it easy to cover the cameras.

 

[Jay666d]

Also, be careful when making a decision where to mount... To much white UPVC surrounding the camera will reflect the IR at night and the Camera will blind itself! :doh

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

The Lorex 4 k system I looked at on e-bay is a 4 mp camera against the Hickvision being 6 mp camera. The mounting on the Lorex is more suited to where I would mount the external cameras. The Dome mounting is great for some but would not be suitable as our Eaves are too low making it easy to cover the cameras.

I think you might be confusing the stupid names they seem to use. A 4k camera should be 8 mega pixle in resolution.

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[macabethiel]

Hickvision v Lorex

I think you might be confusing the stupid names they seem to use. A 4k camera should be 8 mega pixle in resolution.

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lorex-4K...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvisio...var=572408608825&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


That is interesting as the Lorex 4k systems seem to be referring to the picture signal for your Monitor as being 4k but the cameras that come with it are 4 mp. The Hickvision camera is 5 mp with a 4k output for the monitor ? . All quite confusing. If the camera is better for increasing mp specification that makes the Hickvision a good buy as it is cheaper as well. Advantage for the Lorex is that it uses PoE technology that sounds good.

As I am looking to buy when we move back home the game may have moved on to 6 mp or more.

Not sure how many mp my eyeballs are though, i can't see any difference between our new 4k TV and our old TV that was HD ready .lol

 

[macabethiel]

Good point

Also, be careful when making a decision where to mount... To much white UPVC surrounding the camera will reflect the IR at night and the Camera will blind itself! :doh

Good point luckily I went for Black Plastic Fascia etc with Rosewood look Window frames. Only inside the house is white uPVC.

 

[Banshee]

I'm after a 4 Channel with Bullet Cameras in the Hikvision brand after all the research I've been doing. I'm a bit knarcked off that the bullet ones don't come in a higher quality than 2.4MP

I hate the look of domes but really want the best quality.

So far though it looks like I might just bite the bullet :doh :clap and order this set

Grey in 4Ch with 1TB HDD £332 all in seems good to me

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvisio...hash=item2a9904330d:m:mdGey9KHP19zvWEriUwAYxQ

 

[Jay666d]

HikVision do Bullet cameras that are above 2.4MP...

There was a good site I was on a little while back where you could mix and match products, I will see if I can find it!

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lorex-4K...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvisio...var=572408608825&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649


That is interesting as the Lorex 4k systems seem to be referring to the picture signal for your Monitor as being 4k but the cameras that come with it are 4 mp. The Hickvision camera is 5 mp with a 4k output for the monitor ? . All quite confusing. If the camera is better for increasing mp specification that makes the Hickvision a good buy as it is cheaper as well. Advantage for the Lorex is that it uses PoE technology that sounds good.

As I am looking to buy when we move back home the game may have moved on to 6 mp or more.

Not sure how many mp my eyeballs are though, i can't see any difference between our new 4k TV and our old TV that was HD ready .lol

Not sure which cameras you are looking at, but our Lorex cameras are these...
LNB8005, which are 8MP/4K (3840x2160) @ 15fps.

While you can't necessarily see the benefits of the resolution when you look at it, it's the ability to zoom in, where the resolution comes into it's own.

 

[Jay666d]

It also looks like a lot of these are counting on the HikVision name by using one of their DVR/NVR's & using much cheaper cameras!

8MP HikVision camera's (Dome or Bullet) should be somewhere around £80 - £100 each.

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

I'm after a 4 Channel with Bullet Cameras in the Hikvision brand after all the research I've been doing. I'm a bit knarcked off that the bullet ones don't come in a higher quality than 2.4MP

I hate the look of domes but really want the best quality.

So far though it looks like I might just bite the bullet :doh :clap and order this set

Grey in 4Ch with 1TB HDD £332 all in seems good to me

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hikvisio...hash=item2a9904330d:m:mdGey9KHP19zvWEriUwAYxQ

Not sure I would go for that, BNC is a royal pain to work with, CAT5 or 6 is much easier. Not to mention, those cameras are only 2.4MP.

 

[macabethiel]

Not sure which cameras you are looking at, but our Lorex cameras are these...
LNB8005, which are 8MP/4K (3840x2160) @ 15fps.

While you can't necessarily see the benefits of the resolution when you look at it, it's the ability to zoom in, where the resolution comes into it's own.

The Cameras in the e-bay link seem similar except angle is 101 deg as opposed to 88 deg rest of specification seems the same.