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did'nt someone say the wiring is not up to the conversion??:nenau
 
The wiring will be fine, they only run at 35w for the actual bulb, afew watts lost within the ballast, so at the very most you are only drawing the standard 55w per side.

Ive been running single beam kits in two other vehicles for 3yrs now, in the dipped 'section' and the improvment is nothing short of stunning against filiament bulbs.

Never tried the hi/lo's yet though. Watch this space.
 
i take it by hi/lo's you mean the bulbs, i have had 100watt bulbs in my transit and they are better, but nowhere as good as hid kits, a mate has a kit fitted and we put the cars together and there is no comparison. :thumb2
 
Can't argue they are good but also illegal to fit as not E marked

Details are here - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm

But basically all lights fitted to vehicles first used after 1st April 1986 but has approval marks ie E or BS marks.

You'll pass an MOT sure enough, but may get pulled for dazzling with poor aligned lights and if ever involved in a serious accident could be for it, look how they stripped that Landy Lincolnshire.
 
This alignment etc is often a bone of contention.

However, the kits I have already fitted I have specifically asked the MOT tester to advise me if the beam pattern or cut-off was poor using his 'machine', and on both occasions I was told they were as good as with a filiament bulb. Since then they have passed the MOT yearly without issue.

Now the build quality of the HID bulbs may vary and hence the light pattern, but it doesnt appear so with the kits i have at the moment.

I am thinking there is likely to be more of a risk of poor alignment with the hi/lo set up what with comprimises of the movable shutter.

That said, most of the current kits are now E-4 marked.
 
Darwin said:
That guy who drowned his kids ...

they striped that to component parts.
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I think that's a bit strong......

One of the things widely reported in the press was that it had mismatched brake calipers side to side yet I am informed by a person far my knowledgeable on landies than I that there are only 2 types of calipers that will go on the relevant axles, vented disk or plain disk types - so who knows what they found. Hard to believe anyone would have vents one side and not the other.


However if HID conversions are now available E marked at sensible prices so be it - last time I looked the majority were chinese import of dubious repute - not so sure I'd trust marks on such products to be genuine though. Personally I use osram Nightbreaker bulbs, standard 60/55w H4s but +90% efficiency.
 
Terranosaurus said:
I think that's a bit strong......

One of the things widely reported in the press was that it had mismatched brake calipers side to side yet I am informed by a person far my knowledgeable on landies than I that there are only 2 types of calipers that will go on the relevant axles, vented disk or plain disk types - so who knows what they found. Hard to believe anyone would have vents one side and not the other.


However if HID conversions are now available E marked at sensible prices so be it - last time I looked the majority were chinese import of dubious repute - not so sure I'd trust marks on such products to be genuine though. Personally I use osram Nightbreaker bulbs, standard 60/55w H4s but +90% efficiency.
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read the article.


http://www.horncastlenews.co.uk/news/Land-Rover-Crash-Dad39s-Trial.4781032.jp
 
Darwin said:
read the article.


http://www.horncastlenews.co.uk/news/Land-Rover-Crash-Dad39s-Trial.4781032.jp
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I read the article and lots of others from the blanaced not at all anti 4x4 press at the time. No mention of the oncoming transit van that didn't give way and caused him to swerve etc is there.

The vehicle sounds like plenty of other Landies on the road. Steering sounds like how they come out of the factory. Trailing link sounds like 1000+ other extended rear links to go with lift kit etc. Unless you read the whole transcript you can never put single comments like those quoted into context.

As an aside he wasn't actually prosecuted for any offences relating to the condition of the vehicle.
 
Terranosaurus said:
I read the article and lots of others from the blanaced not at all anti 4x4 press at the time. No mention of the oncoming transit van that didn't give way and caused him to swerve etc is there.

The vehicle sounds like plenty of other Landies on the road. Steering sounds like how they come out of the factory. Trailing link sounds like 1000+ other extended rear links to go with lift kit etc. Unless you read the whole transcript you can never put single comments like those quoted into context.

As an aside he wasn't actually prosecuted for any offences relating to the condition of the vehicle.
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Oddly enough I am not anti 4x4 , however the facts of the matter is the guy took an unroadworthy vehicle in poor condition and drove it in a manner that coupled with the modifications and poor condition of the vehicle lead to the death of his 4 children.

A transit was on the same road , why didnt the crasit crash into the river ? , that might be because the guy driving the transit didnt try to take the transit off road at a reported 60mph , for arguments sake lets say it was half this speed , he still veered off the road at 30mph while next to a river.


http://www.horncastlenews.co.uk/news/Land-Rover-crash-dad39s-trial.4775646.jp
 
Darwin said:
Oddly enough I am not anti 4x4 , however the facts of the matter is the guy took an unroadworthy vehicle in poor condition
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you can't possibly know that - only one side was reported in the papers and as I say he wasn't even charged with any mechanical type offences. Innocent till proved guilty.
 
I've seen references to the Ford Transit towing a trailer full of canoes.

This is the Crown Prosecution Service comment below...not clear if the four charges of dangerous driving were one per death or four different offences, but its also clear from what the CPS says in terms of their treatment of such cases that he is probably likely to have had a lot of other charges thrown at him had the kiddies survived.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/press_releases/185_08/

My fault for asking!
 
Terranosaurus said:
you can't possibly know that - only one side was reported in the papers and as I say he wasn't even charged with any mechanical type offences. Innocent till proved guilty.
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According to expert witness from Landrover the vehicle was unroadworthy.

As stated above the Police will normally omit some of the charges are you would only be charged with the more serious offences.

As for innocent until proven guilty , he killed his children .......... convicted.
 
any way I thought this thread was about lights.... as sain not "e" marked so no good...
 
Terranosaurus said:
you can't possibly know that - only one side was reported in the papers and as I say he wasn't even charged with any mechanical type offences. Innocent till proved guilty.
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The reason con and use offences were not pursued as Darwin says is simply because the higher (tragic) offences were proven and he was sentenced.

Any convictions for con and use would have ran concurrently or been suspended and achieved nothing. Its common practice.

The car was a shed and modified poorly. That was proven too and will be recorded for posterity in the transcripts.

It is absolutely in order that they took the car to component level. It shows the attitude and standard this guy aproached his kids safety with. Anything found even if not directly prosecuted would corroborate the main case.
 
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