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[extreme-4x4]

well i got pulled by one last week, for insurance not matching the owner...

reasonable bloke i thought . i explained id not long bought it.

but those bloody blue lights play havoc with your migraine, but he was helpful with that too. we had a chat away from the lights

so you do get some good ones,


but having said that you would think a lot more uninsured drivers would be off the road by now, considering its been in place for many years now


never been pulled for my bike plates on the red one though

 

[Liam]

and cos I like a good argument, I'm gonna pick up Daved....OK I accept that ANPR provides good intelligence, but apparently not good enough to take some of the hundreds of thousands of untaxed/uninsured drivers off the road in any serious numbers?

Maybe thats because there aren't enough of them to get around? Well thats OK cos there are all these camera vans about that could be used, but oh wait, I forgot they are government cash machines aren't they - far easier revenue scheme to simply send a bill and three points to a harassed citizen doing a few miles over the limit than it is to identify tax dodgers (who can't usually be chased for a speeding offence either of course) and use a few bobbies to pick off them down the road somewhere....when the bobbies could be better occupied measuring the space between the letters on my number plate....:augie

Much as I accept the principle, the implementation is flawed to say the least!

This country is run by idiots......:doh

Just a thought. With all these CCTvs in the UK, how long is it going to take the Police to cop on (sorry) and install ANPR in the CCTVs? OOPS! Have I just given them an idea?:lol:lol:lol Seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[Deleted account DD]

So what about speccs cameras then....they seem to love those on motorway roadworks these days.

As I said , I didnt mention speeders :augie

Its nuances of terminology but the speed cameras are not the same as the criminal bashing anpr They both use number plate reading technology but apply it in different ways.

Anpr teams & cameras (static or mobile) are currently not speed enforcers. Our anpr intercept cars certainly didnt and I dont think even have the calibrated speedos :thumb2

 

[Deleted account DD]

and cos I like a good argument, I'm gonna pick up Daved....OK I accept that ANPR provides good intelligence, but apparently not good enough to take some of the hundreds of thousands of untaxed/uninsured drivers off the road in any serious numbers?

Maybe thats because there aren't enough of them to get around? Well thats OK cos there are all these camera vans about that could be used, but oh wait, I forgot they are government cash machines aren't they - far easier revenue scheme to simply send a bill and three points to a harassed citizen doing a few miles over the limit than it is to identify tax dodgers (who can't usually be chased for a speeding offence either of course) and use a few bobbies to pick off them down the road somewhere....when the bobbies could be better occupied measuring the space between the letters on my number plate....:augie

Much as I accept the principle, the implementation is flawed to say the least!

This country is run by idiots......:doh

Well I can say without any fear of constructive counter points youre wrong :thumb2 (apart from the country run by comment lol)

ANPR is not about collecting intelligence, its about utilising it.

The number of uninsured cars, unlicensed and untaxed drivers taken off the road when the anpr teams started operating increased massively compared to old style efforts.

Lots of fines and jail sentences handed down too. I cant see why anyone would have an objection to someone who commits the above offences being fined or jailed :nenau isnt that what joe public is always banging on about:nenau ?

Effectively all the anpr cameras and data bases do is what any decent cop watching cars and people do anyway, scan and decide which one to pull. Thing is the anpr does it at incredible speed and draws hard info from databases compiled in accordance with data protection and the national intelligence model.ie its a smart arse and knows loads.

At the end of the day you would still be nabbed by a cop with discretion, not a camera driven post card prosecution.

Dodgy cars and drivers however only occupy a small part of the databases and superb results.
If you dont want travelling criminals , grug dealers and distributors, terrorists and other nefarious types locating and locking up............write to your mp

We have no choice what the homeoffice, ministry of justice or whatever its called this season dictates , but, the anpr (non speed camera) is a superb bit of kit.

Hoep that clears it up :thumbs:thumbs

 

[extreme-4x4]

im with daved on this, it is fantastic
with all the info it get that quick its a very useful bit of kit. lets face it with all the info that we know about it, what else does it do that we dont know about,

but as i proved its not criminal proof

now if everything is in order, it knows everything about the car, insurance and mot, it probably knows any advisories you had too, ie lights or reflectors tyres low but legal,but they let it through, now you have crashed they likely know you was advised about it when it was mot'd

that also know everything about you, are you wanted or dangerous or a dealer so they know to do a full search of the vehicle
i mean the list goes on......


but if you didnt regester it to you, the whole thing falls on its arse

i mean if you sold your car to me i often do it as a trader so i get the full log book, but who cancls there insurance with 2 months to go , reason you have already paid for it, you will get little or no refund and you loose the years no claims..... so you leave it run


now you just bought a car and the old owner still has it insured for them

the new owner can drive it uninsured and no one knows


so the system falls down

 

[lacroupade]

Well I can say without any fear of constructive counter points youre wrong :thumb2 (apart from the country run by comment lol)

ANPR is not about collecting intelligence, its about utilising it.

The number of uninsured cars, unlicensed and untaxed drivers taken off the road when the anpr teams started operating increased massively compared to old style efforts.

Lots of fines and jail sentences handed down too. I cant see why anyone would have an objection to someone who commits the above offences being fined or jailed :nenau isnt that what joe public is always banging on about:nenau ?

Effectively all the anpr cameras and data bases do is what any decent cop watching cars and people do anyway, scan and decide which one to pull. Thing is the anpr does it at incredible speed and draws hard info from databases compiled in accordance with data protection and the national intelligence model.ie its a smart arse and knows loads.

At the end of the day you would still be nabbed by a cop with discretion, not a camera driven post card prosecution.

Dodgy cars and drivers however only occupy a small part of the databases and superb results.
If you dont want travelling criminals , grug dealers and distributors, terrorists and other nefarious types locating and locking up............write to your mp

We have no choice what the homeoffice, ministry of justice or whatever its called this season dictates , but, the anpr (non speed camera) is a superb bit of kit.

Hoep that clears it up :thumbs:thumbs

LMAO - I never give up

Its about both actually, cos when I say ANPR cameras we are forgetting about, for example, the gantry mounted ones on the motorways into London which monitor every vehicle enetering and leaving by those routes....they gather intelligence about who's been where and when.

And for the record, my point is that the number of people being nicked for no T&I is negligible compared to those still in circulation - recent reports put it at 1 in 20 drivers doing so illegally, thats ridiculous!!!! I bet if you took all the speed cameras (which we know tend to go for soft targets as opposed to actual accident blackspots) off the road for a month and dedicated them to ANPR work with a couple of bobbies down the road pulling the perps, the number of convictions would go through the roof - and yes, as a Daily Mail reader I want them birched and thrown into clink!!!! OK so I don't really read the DM, but you get my point.....we all have to pay so why shouldn't they???

But like I said, these mobile cash machines are waaaay to valuable for that aren't they, but they do a crap job for police PR in the process whereas a few peeps being marched off in handcuffs while their cars are torched would have us clapping in the streets.....oops, sorry I got a bit carried away there!!!:doh My heads hurting now....

 

[Deleted account DD]

you'll never get the positive of anpr detracted from the crime ops by trying to associate them with speed cameras. I've been off the team for a while but...........................
Generally the London and speed cameras record images. Then the image is viewed by admin on the enforcement team and the number read by them from the pic (it is moving on).Specs uses number plate recognition but only to differentiate between the different vehicles its timing. cameras are being developed that recognise the numer plate and issue the ticket. My thoughts on those and blanket use of speed cameras are no secret. Put politely I dont support post card prosecutions
However back on anpr and dealing with crime. If you think about it logically the vrm must be on the anpr database to get a hit in the first instance so any intelligence gained and processed is based on an already existing record, if thts "get shot the cars got a new owner" so be it. I actually bought a sierra from a main dealer a long time ago and was horrified to see a well known name as prevous owner :lol. Your vrm cant go on there just "because" or if youve been bonking the beat bobbies missus,that doesnt happen and would earn you a lot of compo if it did.It'll come off if irrelevnt or outdated. All info has to be weeded anyway, it cant be held indefinitely.
The old dixon of dock green at the end of the road stopping everyone pisses off more people than most other things and results per hour put in is much less productive than todays methods.
cops out there can only deal with a finite number of suspects. Each can only stop one vehicle at a time. Thats just the way it is.
I will say thought the results are superb and proven, noting to do with cash and bad for crims in cars.
:thumb2

 

[extreme-4x4]

trouble is the law is the law. so speeding is no more of a crime than no insurance or my bike plates or some of our mods,

however to joe public due to its rushing about trying to make ends meet or juggling 2 jobs to keep the mortgage payments in place.

the trouble is in the old days, (and im going to sound old now) if you got caught speeding it actually involved a copper stopping you.

so at least you felt like some policing took place , no one ever moaned

nowadays its cameras , and no copper and everyone moans, fairly i say.

for no insurance would require some policing and the government don't want to pay coppers for there risk so the numbers of coppers is low, and lets face it (no offence daved) who would want to be a copper nowadays, its just not the job it was. its not a case of serving the community any more


we just dont feel there is any actual policing going on ...... you know serving the community

 

[lacroupade]

trouble is the law is the law. so speeding is no more of a crime than no insurance or my bike plates or some of our mods,

however to joe public due to its rushing about trying to make ends meet or juggling 2 jobs to keep the mortgage payments in place.

the trouble is in the old days, (and im going to sound old now) if you got caught speeding it actually involved a copper stopping you.

so at least you felt like some policing took place , no one ever moaned

nowadays its cameras , and no copper and everyone moans, fairly i say.

for no insurance would require some policing and the government don't want to pay coppers for there risk so the numbers of coppers is low, and lets face it (no offence daved) who would want to be a copper nowadays, its just not the job it was. its not a case of serving the community any more


we just dont feel there is any actual policing going on ...... you know serving the community

i reckon you should sign on as a special Col.......do a few night shifts....'ll make sure everything is OK at home....:augie

 

[makeitfit]

Ah now then Extreme I beg to differ:augie
I'd far rather get a camera booking than get pulled by some narky spotty plod and his side kick, especially if it's a WPC Their bloody mental,and if you get a short one, well you might as well run in front of a truck
At least with a camera one could share out the points,as it were:augie

 

[lacroupade]

I always wanted to be a policeman to be honest, so i could stop ****y drivers and ask them to hand over their keys, which I'd then drop down the drain or throw over the hedge and say "lets see you drive home like that ya bastard!".:sly

wouldn't that be fun?

 

[makeitfit]

What's a ****y driver?:nenau

 

[lacroupade]

What's a ****y driver?:nenau

i got bleeped for typing w a n k y!!!!

 

[makeitfit]

Oh those ones, oh I agree,stick em in a dark fridge for a while:sly

 

[extreme-4x4]

i got bleeped for typing w a n k y!!!!

well clearly the site programme knows your too old to w a n k :nenau
you should have lied on your profile

 

[lacroupade]

well clearly the site programme knows your too old to w a n k :nenau
you should have lied on your profile

wheres my gloves......?

 

[extreme-4x4]

well ive never shared points out , but i guess i would if i needed to. but dont that defeat the objective of giving points out.

that just makes the current system more flawed

 

[lacroupade]

well ive never shared points out , but i guess i would if i needed to. but dont that defeat the objective of giving points out.

that just makes the current system more flawed

me neither :augie

 

[makeitfit]

well ive never shared points out , but i guess i would if i needed to. but dont that defeat the objective of giving points out.

that just makes the current system more flawed

Correct
I have a very good friend in Austalia who is just the most awful driver:lol
He must have one of those scroll licenses to fit all the points on

 

[Liam]

Well, this IS an interesting thread. It would appear that all the Government needs to do is a softening up campaign of the public to have them put up with stuff that even Hitler hadn't thought of. Is the UK actually so full of criminals that it is necessary to keep squeezing the rights of people who just want to have a life? All this stuff about joe public wanting Police to do something about the criminals is just a load of crap. The only reason for it is that the Government have taken away people's right to defend themselves without being prosecuted, so of course they want Police to deal with it. Why not allow people to defend themselves without prosecuting them and see how quick things will change. If the people in the UK hadn't been turned into sheep by all this crap from Government,they would be well capable of dealing with the drug dealers and scumbags. Maybe it's time for people to start thinking about serious alternative Government, not just in the UK but globally. We are getting screwed here too, less than 500 people a year killed in road accidents and millions spent on trying to persecute motorists but almost a thousand deaths from suicides but no money to spend on counselors or psychologists who may well be able to prevent a lot of these deaths. And the public think it's a good idea to go after drivers and the Government smokescreen about the lousy facilities for people suffering depression works again. Same as ANPR and speed cameras. Don't tell me 500 people arriving at a drug dealers door won't "persuade" him to bugger off, or similarly send a strong message to someone regularly speeding. Bit early for a rant,sorry, but I just don't buy this "it's for the safety/security" of the public. Ok, off for some retail therapy:augie