Effects of anti roll bar removal!

[extreme-4x4]

well i have tried with the rear off for 2 weeks then took the front off... its been 2 days on and off road and im putting the front one back on

back off only - minimum roll on road, stunning off road awsome



both off - really crap roll on the road. have to go so slow. no better off road infact id say has adverse effect. wont climb what it did, no smoother on bumps , front wheels smashing into arches on little bumps,

even tried the terrano with front off only - its like stearing a hovercraft - dont do you could die


front arb needed if anyone got one

 

[zippy656]

http://nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3172

might be of intrest before you take every thing off

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

well i have tried with the rear off for 2 weeks then took the front off... its been 2 days on and off road and im putting the front one back on

back off only - minimum roll on road, stunning off road awsome



both off - really crap roll on the road. have to go so slow. no better off road infact id say has adverse effect. wont climb what it did, no smoother on bumps , front wheels smashing into arches on little bumps,

even tried the terrano with front off only - its like stearing a hovercraft - dont do you could die


front arb needed if anyone got one

Interesting reading Extreme, thanks for thoughts.

Seems to me that with rear off getting maximum articulation which combined
with LSD helps make these trucks so good. Sort of ties in with a review I read
with trucks first released. At time and suppose still is bench mark for axle twist
was coiled solihull frame be it rangey, defender or then new disco. Implied that
whilst the IFS of r20 clearly couldnt flex like their live axles, but better on road,
our live LSD'ed rear almost made up for it. Guess this is why we suprise so many
green oval drivers. Follows theory that traction is based on keeping all wheels on
ground but an assisted diff ultimately aids more.

 

[elty001]

well i have tried with the rear off for 2 weeks then took the front off... its been 2 days on and off road and im putting the front one back on

back off only - minimum roll on road, stunning off road awsome



both off - really crap roll on the road. have to go so slow. no better off road infact id say has adverse effect. wont climb what it did, no smoother on bumps , front wheels smashing into arches on little bumps,

even tried the terrano with front off only - its like stearing a hovercraft - dont do you could die



front arb needed if anyone got one

have got a front arb with a set of poly bushes if you are interested

have removed the rear as it was disconnected anyway but i can't tell any difference in body roll.threw it into a few corners and all seemed o.k. not had chance to try it off road yet.will try and get out at the weekend and see how it feels.

 

[extreme-4x4]

cool elty... pm me how much etc think i really need one.... unless i get harder front springs or dampers or both


let me know ay

 

[zippy656]

the landies i went out with sunday were amazed at my T2... i didnt do the deep water. but every thing else, all that let me down was the little wheels need bigger ones...

just alittle though want to keep suspention and bady standard. as better for towing caravan,


BUT whats towing like with out the rear arb fitted, any one know yet? ?

 

[andrewk]

the landies i went out with sunday were amazed at my T2... i didnt do the deep water. but every thing else, all that let me down was the little wheels need bigger ones...

just alittle though want to keep suspention and bady standard. as better for towing caravan, BUT whats towing like with out the rear arb fitted, any one know yet? ?

Several far eastern 4x4s are way better than most Landie owners know. I agree about keeping the truck standard - I'm taking exactly the same view about my Patrol for the same reason, to avoid compromising towing behaviour/stability.

I don't think anyone can answer the question about the rear arb and towing. Any change to the suspension will affect towing stability to some degree - removing the arb is most unlikely to improve it. Personally, I don't think it's worth the risk.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[wanaron]

As you'll probably know, the 'Troll has a demountable rear anti-roll bar that is hydraulically actuated and activated by a switch on the dash. To be honest, I take it on trust that it "really helps articulation and passenger comfort" as there is no obvious difference when green laning.

I also haven't tried driving around on the road with it demounted (the handbook says not to do that - but it would, wouldn't it?). I'll give it a go later on today or tomorrow and see if I can tell a difference on corners.


Cheers
Andrew

Hi Andrew, or anyone else who knows_
interesting reading your post, "demountable rear anti roll bar, activated by a switch on the dash", in all honesty No i didnt know! educate me! whats the switch on the dash look like? When does the handbook(aint got one) say you should use this faciility. basically whats it for, cos have to admit its a new one on me.

Cheers Wayne

 

[extreme-4x4]

to be honest zips me old pal ... id leave them both on as you tow.

you will only benefit from the rear removal. if you've been struggling getting it to go places.

with the back off... im not having to throw it up tricky stuff now so i can go up a bit smoother. but unless your struggling or having to launch it off or over stuff . you wont get much out of it apart from a smoother ride but im guessing really crap for towing

 

[andrewk]

"demountable rear anti roll bar, activated by a switch on the dash"

Sorry, of course its not on the dash -- must have been day dreaming. My Patrol is a 2005 SVE. It has three switches to the left of the handbrake lever. The lower two are for the front seat heating - and the upper one is the switch for demounting the rear arb. There is an indicator lamp on the dash that is lit when the arb is "off".

This is the page from the workshop manual. It seems that I was wrong - its cable operated not hydraulic. I think this demounting arrangement has been fitted to all Y61 Patrols. This is what the workshop manual says:

You have to read between the lines a bit, coz it reads like its been translated from the original Japanese into English by an Albanian. IIRC, the owner's guide mutters about ride comfort and increasing wheel articulation.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[tezzer]

i know i've mentioned this in a past thread, and with the serious accident involving the yellow land rover, are your vehicles insured properly with all these mods, i dont mean peeps who have motor traders policies, just the family man who insures vehicle for himself and his spouse as it were, because as soon as you alter the vehicle technicly you are not insured and god forbid your involved in a serious accident and regardless who was to blame, when vehicles are checked you will be nicked;






tezzer

 

[elty001]

i know i've mentioned this in a past thread, and with the serious accident involving the yellow land rover, are your vehicles insured properly with all these mods, i dont mean peeps who have motor traders policies, just the family man who insures vehicle for himself and his spouse as it were, because as soon as you alter the vehicle technicly you are not insured and god forbid your involved in a serious accident and regardless who was to blame, when vehicles are checked you will be nicked;






tezzer

i declared all the mods i have done to mine and they said they would look into it for me.
about 2 days later they got back to me and told me it made no difference to my policy so my premiums stayed the same.:thumb2
better safe than sorry.

 

[Terranosaurus]

Me too - if you insure with a specialist like Adrian Flux or Sureterm (both give discount to club members) then mods aren't really an issue, you just need to tell them.

 

[zippy656]

Me too - if you insure with a specialist like Adrian Flux or Sureterm (both give discount to club members) then mods aren't really an issue, you just need to tell them.

ill give them a ring when mide due for renuwal, whats the discount like? woth having??

 

[Terranosaurus]

10 or 15% IIRC - a lot depends on the initial premium of course as to wether its worth it - they're the market leaders for 4x4s though. Also worth trying NFU.

Don't forget to mention 4x4 Response if you're signing up zippy - all three of the above should be ok with it though.

 

[zippy656]

10 or 15% IIRC - a lot depends on the initial premium of course as to wether its worth it - they're the market leaders for 4x4s though. Also worth trying NFU.

Don't forget to mention 4x4 Response if you're signing up zippy - all three of the above should be ok with it though.

will do, not sure when mine is due but will ring closer to the time..

 

[andrewk]

Also worth trying NFU.

They may or may not insure you, depending upon where you live. I tried them a few years back and they said they could not offer motor insurance for my postcode (OL4). FWIW, I live over 1000ft above sea level, about 3 miles from Oldham towards Ripponden. I don't know, but I'm guessing that if you live within the boundary of one of the old metropolitan counties, then you are classed as a townie.

I've heard their premiums are great - so worth trying if they'll insure you.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[NNMan]

What about the effects of removal on wearing parts of the IFS system? Bushes and joints?

 

[elty001]

What about the effects of removal on wearing parts of the IFS system? Bushes and joints?

im leaving the front one on,just the rear iv'e removed to gain better articulation on the rear axle.
i broke one of the mounting points on the diff.i thought i did it the other week while out laning but on closer inspection it looked like it had been like that for a while.so i totaly removed it and can't even tell the difference.

 

[wanaron]

Sorry, of course its not on the dash -- must have been day dreaming. My Patrol is a 2005 SVE. It has three switches to the left of the handbrake lever. The lower two are for the front seat heating - and the upper one is the switch for demounting the rear arb. There is an indicator lamp on the dash that is lit when the arb is "off".

Cheers
This is the page from the workshop manual. It seems that I was wrong - its cable operated not hydraulic. I think this demounting arrangement has been fitted to all Y61 Patrols. This is what the workshop manual says:

You have to read between the lines a bit, coz it reads like its been translated from the original Japanese into English by an Albanian. IIRC, the owner's guide mutters about ride comfort and increasing wheel articulation.

Andrew

Thanks for the info Andrew, did think i was goin ga ga, as a T2 owner this function is not on my vehicle, but makes interesting reading. incidentally have you ever de-activated the ARB? If so was there a noticeable difference in the ride.
Cheers Wayne