Dale Farm...

[clivvy]

not far from me, a guy built a mansion without planning permission, needless to say, nobody lives at that address now....and let me tell you, its not a small house.

the law is fairly clear here, they shouldnt be there despite how long it has taken the council to "react". times run out, and they dont like it. tits.

 

[Adz]

But the point is there still there & locals no there not going unless they use force which they have said they wont . . .

& its cost shed loads to achieve nothing. . .

 

[Liam]

Knocking it won't end it, they still own the site and it is a pretty safe bet they won't be planting flowers on it. They have already won and I suppose this is what really galls people, the people in power have had centuries to legislate to prevent this and have failed, not just in the UK, but all over. Dave knows that laws only work for the law abiding, criminals don't give a damn about laws because they choose to live outside them anyway. Anyway, I hope all those affected by this and who are law abiding realise they need to be as persistent as the travellers in pursuing their own councils and MPs to close the loopholes in planning and be proactive in the future, not reactive.

 

[TONUP]

That comment alone suggests to me you lost a grip on the real world :naughty

Unfortunately I think you might be right, and it may have happened some time ago

Alan

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

I dont believe this is a racist thread,

though I know that the use of the p
word is racist and as we've been there
so many times before I don't wish to
see incitement to racial hatred in this
forum.

I modified the first two posts and I don't
wish to see it again.

as before there was a warning, and then
there was deletion of comments.

Lets ease of on the stereo typing too please
theres plenty of criminals living in houses
and from all backgrounds.

 

[solarman216]

My thoughts are that this club is not the place for this sort of stuff, can we not stick to 4 x 4 related issues, I know that it has links in that a green lane has been affected but that is where it should stop is my opinion, Rick

 

[Liam]

I dont believe this is a racist thread,

though I know that the use of the p
word is racist and as we've been there
so many times before I don't wish to
see incitement to racial hatred in this
forum.

I modified the first two posts and I don't
wish to see it again.

as before there was a warning, and then
there was deletion of comments.

Lets ease of on the stereo typing too please
theres plenty of criminals living in houses
and from all backgrounds.

Well I've said what I wanted. Sincerely hope it gets sorted ok for ALL concerned. To be honest, if people have strong feelings on something, it is going to get aired somewhere.

 

[Adz]

My thoughts are that this club is not the place for this sort of stuff, can we not stick to 4 x 4 related issues

Pointless statement I'm affraid as people took the P when I said there was no real 4x4 talk on here hence me going over to the 4WD Club.
What song moves you has sweet FA to do with 4x4's.....................

Well I've said what I wanted. Sincerely hope it gets sorted ok for ALL concerned. To be honest, if people have strong feelings on something, it is going to get aired somewhere.

:thumbs :clap Thank-you :bow

 

[Deleted account DD]

My thoughts are that this club is not the place for this sort of stuff, can we not stick to 4 x 4 related issues, I know that it has links in that a green lane has been affected but that is where it should stop is my opinion, Rick

The forum reflects life based around a common interest of 4x4s.

Wouldnt life be boring if we all went to the pub and only drank beer instead of talking about sex, politics and the world in general.

The simple answer is again, if youre not interested in a thread dont read it.

I do actually remember a certain thread on here talking about celebrating beating the planning system unconnected with 4x4s :augie:augie:naughty

Pot , Kettle, Black perhaps ?

 

[solarman216]

OK point taken, Rick:thumbs

 

[Deleted account DD]

OK point taken, Rick:thumbs

:thumb2

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Pointless statement I'm affraid as people took the P when I said there was no real 4x4 talk on here hence me going over to the 4WD Club.
What song moves you has sweet FA to do with 4x4's.....................



:thumbs :clap Thank-you :bow

Perhaps if you spent less time making negative comments about the site
and contributed the sort of posts you say it lacks we'd have less of these
nothing threads. As for the other place I'd be suprised if it has no pub
or joke area as every other forum I use has a mixture.

Lost public rights of way are by definition on private land so 'our' right to
roam is nothing compared to the abuse of someone's property.

Perhaps in a round about way Basildon will resolve this though I'm sure it
will be more of a fortunate coincidence, just as its a unforturnute one that
saw the loss and probably in the overall scheme of things going to fall way
down the list of priorities.

 

[Adz]

If it's a nothing thread then it is well suited to this forum as it's not a proper 4x4 forum anymore...
& for a "nothing thread" it seem's to have enough hit's to say people are curious or interested... :nenau
Yes the other forum's have "virtual pub's / banter / general" area's but they do stick to 4x4 / vehicle based thread's.!
Apart from the thread : New Project by Flying Torquewrench which is absolutely breath taking & can't praise him enough :bow there isn't much else on here that is 4x4 related...
This thread relate's to public right of way which is 4x4 related & very much in the news...
I tried to the point of no return to do local meets & laning trips as did extreme-4x4 & we had no interest, so that sums it up to me...
So what do i now have to post to become a something thread... :nenau

 

[Deleted account DD]

If it's a nothing thread then it is well suited to this forum as it's not a proper 4x4 forum anymore...

Waaaayyyyyyyy waaaayyyyyyyy waaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy off the mark.

Your post set me off thinking , and monitoring and as pointed out to you your aproach to matters 4x4 are the main problem. Theres as many topics on 4x4s as there are beers to sup so you may not find anything you want on here just like going into ( as they were) a courage pub in the sarf.

However this is a nissan 4x4 owners club and when i logged in tonight the new posts were pretty typical of the way the club is going, 54 of them and every one bar 2 relating to nissan 4x4 vehicles and activities

 

[Adz]

Yeah, I'll agree with that :thumbs

 

[gazrick]

So its the health and safety of Vocabulary........what is the world coming to when you can't say words in case someone else is offended. :doh

MODIFED I find offensive , especially when it involves those that wish to spread their do-good chastisement of free speech.

Negative English attitudes towards "pikeys" were a running theme in the 2000 Guy Ritchie film Snatch {So don't watch this film}. In 2003 the Firle Bonfire Society burned an effigy of a family of gypsies inside a caravan after travelers damaged local land. The number plate on the caravan read P1KEY. A storm of protests and accusations of racism rapidly followed. Twelve members of the society were arrested but the Crown Prosecution Service decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed on a charge of 'incitement to racial hatred'.

The fact is, if you mention to people in West Wales "pikey" they think your talking about fish! :nenau

On the point of removals @ Dale farm, I think they should clear the one side of it that has the offending buildings and move them the the other end.

Upon which they could then errect huge towers of scaffolding and stack the caravans so they peer really high above the landscape and high above the green belt - PROBLEM SOLVED :clap

 

[Adz]

:bow :thumbs :lol

 

[lacroupade]

So its the health and safety of Vocabulary........what is the world coming to when you can't say words in case someone else is offended. :doh

MODIFED I find offensive , especially when it involves those that wish to spread their do-good chastisement of free speech.

Negative English attitudes towards "pikeys" were a running theme in the 2000 Guy Ritchie film Snatch {So don't watch this film}. In 2003 the Firle Bonfire Society burned an effigy of a family of gypsies inside a caravan after travelers damaged local land. The number plate on the caravan read P1KEY. A storm of protests and accusations of racism rapidly followed. Twelve members of the society were arrested but the Crown Prosecution Service decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed on a charge of 'incitement to racial hatred'.

The fact is, if you mention to people in West Wales "pikey" they think your talking about fish! :nenau

On the point of removals @ Dale farm, I think they should clear the one side of it that has the offending buildings and move them the the other end.

Upon which they could then errect huge towers of scaffolding and stack the caravans so they peer really high above the landscape and high above the green belt - PROBLEM SOLVED :clap

Its a difficult one for the simple reason that there are two types of so-called travellers; a few are genuine Roma and have maintained their lifestyle for many hundreds of years, the bulk however are n'ere-do-wells from the Irish Republic (not reflecting in any way the general population there) who choose to live on the road because its the easiest way to escape taxes and general social responsibility (except for themselves) and be free to dump their rubbish, tarmac and tree cuttings anywhere they choose.

My humble view is that anyone who chooses to live outside society is denied the usual rights that the rest of us have, i.e. access to health, education etc..

And not sure which bit of West Wales you live in but its clearly a long way from the road to Haverford West LOL. In Llandovery we choose to close our shop for 2-3 weeks every year when the car park is taken over by several dozen caravans and left like a shithole after they are finally driven off by the council - otherwise we get shoplifters in almost daily.

I don't care if you're black, white, green or yellow, english, irish or bloody chinese, if you shit up my countryside and don't pay your taxes then you get what you deserve.

This whole Dale Farm thing is just a planning issue that needs stamping on, because if it isn't I'll just put a nice bungalow up in a green field by the river and say "I'm a traveller you can't touch me...".

As for the activists that turned up there, euthenasia would be my recommendation.

 

[Deleted account DD]

well said that cranky old git :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

 

[Adz]

Its a difficult one for the simple reason that there are two types of so-called travellers; a few are genuine Roma and have maintained their lifestyle for many hundreds of years, the bulk however are n'ere-do-wells from the Irish Republic (not reflecting in any way the general population there) who choose to live on the road because its the easiest way to escape taxes and general social responsibility (except for themselves) and be free to dump their rubbish, tarmac and tree cuttings anywhere they choose.

My humble view is that anyone who chooses to live outside society is denied the usual rights that the rest of us have, i.e. access to health, education etc..

And not sure which bit of West Wales you live in but its clearly a long way from the road to Haverford West LOL. In Llandovery we choose to close our shop for 2-3 weeks every year when the car park is taken over by several dozen caravans and left like a shithole after they are finally driven off by the council - otherwise we get shoplifters in almost daily.

I don't care if you're black, white, green or yellow, english, irish or bloody chinese, if you shit up my countryside and don't pay your taxes then you get what you deserve.

This whole Dale Farm thing is just a planning issue that needs stamping on, because if it isn't I'll just put a nice bungalow up in a green field by the river and say "I'm a traveller you can't touch me...".

As for the activists that turned up there, euthenasia would be my recommendation.

well said that cranky old git :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

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