D22 2.5td Injection pump on a Terrano 2.7 td block

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Hi guys this is my first post on here,

I have had a bit of an issue with my pick up involving one of the piston rings braking up, over heating the engine and cracking the head.

So I am now frantically trying to get tis back on the road, I have found a Nissan Terrano 2.7 engine which is the same set up, but what I need to know from you gurus out there is can I fit my 2.5 IP on to this new 2.7 with a little adjustment?

Has anyone done this on here?

Many thanks in advance

H
 
Hi guys this is my first post on here,

I have had a bit of an issue with my pick up involving one of the piston rings braking up, over heating the engine and cracking the head.

So I am now frantically trying to get tis back on the road, I have found a Nissan Terrano 2.7 engine which is the same set up, but what I need to know from you gurus out there is can I fit my 2.5 IP on to this new 2.7 with a little adjustment?

Has anyone done this on here?

Many thanks in advance

H

bump :)
 
I presume the 2.7 engine has no pump with it? The VE pump should fit ok and easily adjusted, what injectors do you plan to use? Is the 2.7 a TD or TDI engine?
 
I presume the 2.7 engine has no pump with it? The VE pump should fit ok and easily adjusted, what injectors do you plan to use? Is the 2.7 a TD or TDI engine?

No pump with the block your right, in fact it's bare so I must swap everything over. Have been advised to keep my 2.5 injectors which go with the pump, any thoughts on this?

I have also hear rumours about some adjustments that need to be made around the sump area, in order for it to fit the d22 bell housing.

Heres the link:

http://www.nissan-navara.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=8036
 
Yes, I would stick with the matching injectors to the pump, as long as they are the correct diameter for your TD27 (there were two depending on year) That way they are currently matched to the pump, so one less thing to cause trouble.

The TD25 pump should be easily opened up abit (or alot) to give the TD27 some extra go, it's going to be abit undersized but it'll work.
 
Yes, I would stick with the matching injectors to the pump, as long as they are the correct diameter for your TD27 (there were two depending on year) That way they are currently matched to the pump, so one less thing to cause trouble.

The TD25 pump should be easily opened up abit (or alot) to give the TD27 some extra go, it's going to be abit undersized but it'll work.

Great, thanks for that, do you know whet year? this one is described as NISSAN TERRANO 1989-1996 ENGINE.

Also when you say it might be undersized, are you saying it might not be up to the full potential of the of the 2.7. or it might be put under stress trying to cope with the volume?

I'm off to collect the new block tomorrow, it's only done 63,000 so I hope this all has a happy ending.

Will keep you all posted either way.
 
I think you will find the sump is shallower on the 2.5 so you will need to change it over along with the oil pick up pipe to get the 2.7 engine to fit in. Not sure on the bell housing fitting, but the lower section at the sump is only a tin plate.
 
Great, thanks for that, do you know whet year? this one is described as NISSAN TERRANO 1989-1996 ENGINE.

Also when you say it might be undersized, are you saying it might not be up to the full potential of the of the 2.7. or it might be put under stress trying to cope with the volume?

I'm off to collect the new block tomorrow, it's only done 63,000 so I hope this all has a happy ending.

Will keep you all posted either way.

Pump will currently only be fuelling for a 2.5 engine, so your 2.7 will be acting like a 2.5.

As far as injector holes, the change was between the TD and TDi so with luck you will be fine.
 
Ok time for a quick update, got the new engine and have the old one out and ready to start swapping bits. Can't confirm the sump yet as they look exactly the same. The d22 however seems to have a small compressor under the Injection pump, and there is nothing on the terrano engine. So it seems I need to take off the cam chain covers and backplate so that they can be swapped to accommodate this brake compressor.

I have however identified the fuel adjustment on the pump, and have heard rumours that Nissan now do a kit for swapping the 2.5 to a 2.7.
Get all the gaskets tomorrow, so hopefully should be in by the evening.
 
Ho HUM, dont for the pics for the next person doing this swop..

if you do a wright up with pics and send to BAT21 as a doc fill he can add it to the download section.
 
Ok time for a quick update, got the new engine and have the old one out and ready to start swapping bits. Can't confirm the sump yet as they look exactly the same. The d22 however seems to have a small compressor under the Injection pump, and there is nothing on the terrano engine. So it seems I need to take off the cam chain covers and backplate so that they can be swapped to accommodate this brake compressor.

I have however identified the fuel adjustment on the pump, and have heard rumours that Nissan now do a kit for swapping the 2.5 to a 2.7.
Get all the gaskets tomorrow, so hopefully should be in by the evening.


On the Terrano the vacuum pump is sat on the back of the alternator, sounds like it is seperate on the D22.

Love to see some pics of this conversion...
 
All parts are on back order at the moment. Il see if I can get some photos for next week.
It's a strange one, this is an additional cog which works off the Injection pump cog, one pipe runs off into the brake housing diaphragm, and the other goes off into the oil cooler on the block, The oil cooler also needs to be changed to accommodate this. Have it all striped down now, and will await the arrival of all the gaskets and clutch next week
 
Yes the vac pump is oil lubricated - same as on the T2. On the t2, i think the oil feed is picked up from the turbo supply.
 
Ok time to sort this write up, If you are planning on doing this job I would suggest getting someone else to do it if you can, and if this is not affordable prepare to take your time doing it.


1. Remove front axle mounting. This runs along the back of the engine across both chassis legs. Two bolts on the chassis, and three bracketed around the axle.

2. Unbolt exhaust at Manifold. There are three nuts which are Jap spec, if you loose these or they are no longer serviceable, you can use the nuts which hold on the intercooler as a quick fix.

3. Remove all bell housing bolts underneath, and if you can at this point remove the starter motor.

4.Bellhousing bracket. This bracket attaches bottom of the bell housing on to the side of the engine. You will see the bracket reach around the side of the Dip stick pipe, and has two bolts on the side of the engine which need to be removed.

5. Now you have access to to the sump. Undo the millions of bolts and gently prize the sump away. Before the sump can be removed completely you will need to dismantle the oil lift pipe. this has one bolt on the left hand side (always looking from the front) and two bolts which connect the pipe to the block. There is a paper gasket here which should be reusable, but the Terrano 2.7 engine has a 'o' ring in it's place. The pipe and the sump should now come away to the rear of the truck.

6.Now it's time to remove all auxiliary devices. Alternator can be removed to one side as can the power steering pump and reservoir after you have removed the battery. Cable tie the reservoir somewhere, or it will fall over and start leaking fluid! Intercooler and air filter pipes.

7.Remove the water pump and fan in one go, and then remove the rad incase of damage.

8.Fuel lines, accelerator cables, sensor wires and glow pug wire at the back.

9 Sling the engine back left and front right, there are two more bolts at the top of the bell housing, and two engine mountings either side. Your ready to take her out at this point, you might find it's worth taking the bonnet off in order to get the hight.



Now you have it out, you can begin to asses what you need to change over. The 2.7 block I have was not intercooled which meant changing the inlet manifold. I had no outlet manifold on the new engine either so I had to change that too. It was worthwhile for me to strip the block bare pretty much for the following reasons:

A:Rocker Cover as the intercooled version needs the filler to come up round the intercooler. No Gasket needed here as it comes away quite well and is made of rubber.

B:Inlet and outlet Manifolds. Change these gaskets just to be sure.

C:Water Pump as there was no pump with this new lump. New gasket here too.

D:Oil cooler. I had to change this as there is an addition to the 2.5 td engine which there does not seem to be on the 2.7. The 2.5 has an additional oil pump/Compressor fitted into the crankcase. This has a pipe which runs up into the oil cooler. The 2.7 version had no where to put this pipe so it had to be changed. Steel gasket here which can be saved.

Spot the difference:

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E.Injection pump and Injectors. I decided to use the 2.5 pump to save on cost, Was advised to keep the injector which go with the pump by HCII which is what I did. He also advised to keep the timing exactly the same, so I measured the pump to the block and made a note of that measurement. Remove the crank cover for this undo the bolt on the crank, three nuts behind and a lower mounting. I used silicone to seal this later, no gasket required.

In order for the pump to power the engine sufficiently I adjusted the maximum fuel screw which is located under a cover here:

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F:Crank Case cover and Backplate. As mentioned above this additional oil pump/Compressor. I describe it like this as it had another pipe which runs off up into the brake diaphragm.
Now time to remove the crank case cover remove all the cogs, don't worry about the timing as it is pretty foolproof. There are two bolts which come down from the thermostat housing, and a couple of seals which need to be taken care of. You will have to do this twice to swap them round, so practice first on the casing you don't want to keep. It's quite this alloy in places and will be rusted on where the two top bolts come through the casing. I had a hell of a time with the one off the 2.5 motor (the one I needed most!) and prising with screwdriver can easily damage the seal seat for the water channels. There are tow of these and I replace these seals just to be sure.

Crankcase and cranks off, you will now just have to remove the backplate. There is a large complicated gasket for this which you will need, and while your here inspect the crank seal too.

2.5 with additional oil/compressor

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2.7 Without

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G.Change the flywheel. The 2.5 has a thicker flywheel, and it might also be worth fitting a new clutch at this point.


H. Finally, the last gasket you need to change will be the sump gasket as it is unlikely it will have come off in one piece. When you have the block back in you will need to keep the oil lift pipe and the sump off the 2.5 in order to allow for the lower bell housing bracket to fit.

I. Oil filter housing. I have kept the oil filter housing off the terrano, but the filters are about twice the price. Wether you pay for extra filtration seems a little unlikely, so I might in future replace back to the cheeper 2.5 housing. It also then saves complications in ordering a new filter.

All is all quite a major mod but a necessary one in my case, benefits are better acceleration more pulling power and much better economy!!
The engine sounds nice and tight , and now drives like new again. Downsides are my wallet is about £700 lighter.

Hope this helps others anyway, If I was thinking of making truck up though I would consider buying a newer Navara d22 with a bust engine and put the Terrano idi in. Theres a thought!

Many Thanks for all the Help everywhere.
 
Very interesting, and also very involved !!!

I am quite surprised at how different the 2.5 & 2.7 are especially in ancillary parts, the cost to nissan to make so many different parts for the D22 must have been substantial!!

Have you got any pics of the finished motor in your truck ?? - Your 2.7td is now intercooled and running the 2.5 pump and injectors with the fuelling opened up??

tim..
 
mmmmmmmmm be nice to get some power figures for that lot:sly
Tough job well done mate:thumbs
 
never did understand why nissan put the 2.7tdi out to grass wouldve been so simple to tweak it and drop it in front of navara they wouldnt have gotten all the bad press about exsploding d22s and extra yrs warranty ho hum
 
never did understand why nissan put the 2.7tdi out to grass wouldve been so simple to tweak it and drop it in front of navara they wouldnt have gotten all the bad press about exsploding d22s and extra yrs warranty ho hum


can you fit a 2.7 into a Nav?
 

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