Correct timing advance on 2005 Terrano 2 2.7TDI?

[-=Alex=-]

I am expecting to get timing adjustment gauge tomorrow.
I'm confused what advance should I set - Terrano manual suggests 0.59, but AutoData - something around 0.26.

As I am planning to drive 95% WVO, what would you suggest to set?

Thanks,
Alex

 

[Banshee]

I am expecting to get timing adjustment gauge tomorrow.
I'm confused what advance should I set - Terrano manual suggests 0.59, but AutoData - something around 0.26.

As I am planning to drive 95% WVO, what would you suggest to set?

Thanks,
Alex

I do get a hell of a lot more "diesel knock" running veg until the car is up to temp, so much so that I get panels rattling in the car until it does

 

[makeitfit]

There yo go again with the WVO are you sure ?
SVO fair enough but wvo is just bleurgh

 

[-=Alex=-]

Can't stop using WVO - I get it free from local bakery, so it has best value for money for me
I spoke to diesel centre specialist today, he suggested to set it from 0.59 degrees to 1-1.5.
What do you think?

 

[solarman216]

was not aware you could set the pump timing on a TDi, it is controlled by the ecu and referenced by the crank position sensor, please explain, Rick

 

[Sweety]

Can't stop using WVO - I get it free from local bakery, so it has best value for money for me
I spoke to diesel centre specialist today, he suggested to set it from 0.59 degrees to 1-1.5.
What do you think?

No idea TBH but if the T2 manual states 0.59 & your specialist also states 0.59 up over i'd go with 0.59:augie A lot comes down to how much you want to play around with the timming to find the sweet spot for WVO
EDIT: Solarman has a good point can you manually ajust the timming on the later TDI's or does the ECU not take over this fuction ?

 

[geoffdown]

was not aware you could set the pump timing on a TDi, it is controlled by the ecu and referenced by the crank position sensor, please explain, Rick

when running it is controlled but must be set up as the timing can only be adjusted to a certain amount and in normal running this small amount is all the is needed u can turn the pump on the studs a little and set the timing as u would do any other diesel engine just shove a dial gauge in the bolt hole in the middle of the injector pipes at the back of pump its all it the manual for got the whole procedure as it was over 2yrs ago I think:thumbs

 

[makeitfit]

Can't stop using WVO - I get it free from local bakery,
What do you think?

Top deal indeed, BUT, is this WVO the cause of two IP failures ? Normally very reliable.
I run on Bio all the time and not had any pump issues.
I hope you're at least filtering the ass off the wvo and seperating out the water mate, or all those doughnut chippings will be having mischief again

 

[-=Alex=-]

Geoffdown is right, I can rotate pump approx 1cm on studs. Default position is in the middle - there are even marks on pump body and engine block which match in the middle. I will probably make it around 1 degree and see how it goes.

Makeitfit, I filter oil in the garage, and also have large 10 inch filter in the car, but I know that my filtering fails sometime. Probably highest risk is when I change car filter - dirt can get into clean zone.
I've done about 60K miles on biodiesel, and never had any problems with fuel cleanness, but it's more difficult with oil - too many chips and doughnuts

I had a chance to visit diesel centre workshop yesterday, they showed me everything - machines, testing etc. When they stripped injectors, there was visible dust inside, on washers. Needle was also very stiff, they had to use vice to get it out of the nozzle.

Now I know that fuel is not clean enough. I installed another small clear filter few days ago, hopefully it will do the job.

By the way, don't forget that there are 2 filters in IP - one in banjo bolt on entry, and another one in timing advance valve. When I checked them in new pump I got, they both were dirty!

Alex

 

[makeitfit]

By the way, don't forget that there are 2 filters in IP - one in banjo bolt on entry, and another one in timing advance valve. When I checked them in new pump I got, they both were dirty!

Alex

Hmmm very interesting, is this IP filter accessible while in situ ?

 

[geoffdown]

Hmmm very interesting, is this IP filter accessible while in situ ?

timing advance valve is a bitch to come out even when off car I no as I had to get it out of mine but didn't c any type of filter but like I say it was 2yrs ago old age and that:lol

 

[Fez_uk]

do you de-water the oil?

 

[-=Alex=-]

timing advance valve is a bitch to come out even when off car I no as I had to get it out of mine but didn't c any type of filter but like I say it was 2yrs ago old age and that:lol

It had round nylon mesh filter, and was pretty easy to remove on 1st pump. On second pump it stuck to IP body so hard that I had to remove it with hammer and chiesel.


Here the valve is number 9.

And here is the filter, green:

 

[-=Alex=-]

do you de-water the oil?

I don't really bubble dewater it, I keep it in 20l cubies or (recently) in IBC, so all water settles down.
Oil I get has no water in it, I mean, no visible signs of water, maybe some trace emulsion.

 

[-=Alex=-]

By the way, I got interesting comment about setting advance:

"Reckon about 0.75 should do it, IF it wasn't an electronic system! Setting as the diesel-centre suggests wouldn't be a good idea.

The Terrano has electronic system, so the ECU will set timing back to standard. --providing the pump is within range anyway--If it aint, it'll chuck codes at you!!!"

So, is there a point bothering with dial gauge and setting pump's correct position??

 

[Fez_uk]

try frying some of the oil in a pan, see how much it spits. Usually a good way of seeing if it contains water.

 

[cncfabs]

We used to make machine for de watering oil was s/s tank about 1500l had some massive heater elements and small fan on top to extract the water vapor.I think by the time youve paid your electric bill would be cheaper to by some diesel:doh

 

[-=Alex=-]

I used to simply bubble dry oil before, but as take oil form the top of IBC and I use 5 micron in-car filter, I believe water should separated quite well.

 

[geoffdown]

By the way, I got interesting comment about setting advance:

"Reckon about 0.75 should do it, IF it wasn't an electronic system! Setting as the diesel-centre suggests wouldn't be a good idea.

The Terrano has electronic system, so the ECU will set timing back to standard. --providing the pump is within range anyway--If it aint, it'll chuck codes at you!!!"

So, is there a point bothering with dial gauge and setting pump's correct position??

yes as it means the ecu can use full range of the advance and retard if u c what I mean:thumbs

 

[-=Alex=-]

In this case, does it man that all I need to do is to install pump in the middle of studs and adjust the rest electronically?