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cameraman said:
My old Patrol (SWB) and quite wide, used to romp up Roych and Leeside on ATs with no probs even in wet and snow. But the differance was that it was on 35/12.5s giving it immense ground clearance.
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Mine's on the original 275/65 R17 Bridgestone Dueler H/T 840 tyres. These are about 31ins. I recognise that I need better tyres for tackling muddy stuff but I'm not at all convinced that they had anything to do with the little problem I had on Leeside Road - more to do with being in the wrong gear. :roll:

I have never taken this club up Roch or Stanage as I don't think the TIIs/Mavs in standard form will make it with out either damage or whinches. But I stand to be corrected if someone wants to try :twisted:
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I've only been on Roych once (end Sept 07) - and that was downhill in a stock LWB 2000 Isuzu Trooper 3.0D. I managed to whack a skidplate on one step but managed to clean the biggest step with the aid of a spotter, a few rocks and some of the banking. The Troopers biggest problem is a skidplate under part of the exhaust and the transfer case. It hangs down about 3ins or so below the sills just about halfway between front and rear wheels. I've no reason to suppose that a Mav/Terrano is any more compromised that the Trooper. I think Roych had some work done a couple of years back that made it easier - have a look if you haven't seen it recently.

I'll let you know how the Patrol does ........ :smile:

Cheers
Andrew
 
cameraman said:
I have never taken this club up Roch or Stanage as I don't think the TIIs/Mavs in standard form will make it with out either damage or whinches. But I stand to be corrected if someone wants to try :twisted:
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Mine doesn't look that standard, but the body lift doesn't really give any extra clearance (I did it to get my god awful auxiliary petrol tank out of the way), really its only got 1½" lift and 30" mud tyres on. I think it would be possible to get a swb Mav/T2 up Stanage without a lift on similar tyres from the way mine went up. However I don't think a LWB would make it. I know theres less than 9" in it but it was the maneuverability that got me round the bits that got others (including Andy) stuck. No tow bar, side steps or bull/A bar would also be a must.
 
Looks like I'll not be making a pilgrimage up to stanage then...!! :? :lol: :lol: :cry:
 
cosmic said:
Looks like I'll not be making a pilgrimage up to stanage then...!! :? :lol: :lol: :cry:
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not unless someone offers you a seat on a trip :wink: :lol:

or you buy a new truck.... :wink: :wink:
 
cameraman said:
Hope you have better tyres this time then, cos those steps are blummin slippery.
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Hey look what I found here: http://www.caranddriving.com/features2/tyre test - bridgestone dueler 0405.txt

The verdict that the BF Goodrich all-terrain tyres gave better off-road performance than the Bridgestone Dueler H/T 840s was always inescapable from the word go. The interesting thing was how close the roadgoing tyre from Bridgestone came to living with its altogether knarlier rival. Even if you do plan on putting your 4x4 to some tough offroad work, there's a good chance that the Bridgestone tyres could do the job.

It had to be driver error ............. :roll:

Cheers
Andrew
 
Still not convinced. The last time I did Roych end of Oct (Halloween) was in the dark on a night drive going up, cleared no probs and I think a SWB may too as I was follwed up by a Dihatsu fourtrak (differant time in daylight). Coming down is totally differant as mometum can often carry you despite the rocks.

Stanage is completly differant, and can change from day to day, but without a doubt its the hardest route around here. HBs lifted SWB Mav made it OK, and I've seen a SWB TII do it too with waffles and a little tugging. It took us two and a half hours to move a stuck pajero LWB just a few feet.

HB on Stanage:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/theonlycameraman/IMG_2210.jpg
The paj coming up on waffles: It was finally winched back then forwards then lifted and winched.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/theonlycameraman/IMG_2201.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/theonlycameraman/IMG_2205.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/theonlycameraman/IMG_2206.jpg
and finally a Dihatsu climbing the steps on Roych
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e285/theonlycameraman/IMG_2106.jpg

The pics don't really convey the steepness involved or the severity of the rocks.



This thread has now been split by me from the begginers day as it was way off topic but genuinlly interesting (to me anyway)
Note to anyone reading this thread, feel free to take it off topic where ever it goes as long as its about green lanes, which is why I've titled it chit chat.(CM)
 
andrewk said:
Even if you do plan on putting your 4x4 to some tough offroad work, there's a good chance that the Bridgestone tyres could do the job.
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Hi andrewk, Duelers may work better on a patrol like yours but on a T2 I found that you may as well have slicks on 8O I found the tyre compond to hard even for road use as the back end would become very twichy in the wet. On wet grass I found the rear wheels would just spin as the Duelers did'nt grip & had to use 4WD to get myself off. The same patch of grass I had no problems getting off it in a modded escort with low profile tyre in worse conditions :roll:
 
cameraman said:
Coming down is totally differant as mometum can often carry you despite the rocks.
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Indeed, but a Trooper has limited ground clearance (only about 9ins) for most of the width of the vehicle from the front wheels backwards to roughly the back edge of the front doors. This is more of a problem going downhill than uphill. As I mentioned above, I whacked a skidplate under the Trooper on one step quite heavily (no damage) but cleared the biggest step without problems - with the aid of a spotter, some careful driving and a bit of highway engineering. 8)

The Patrol has a short section of skidplate under the transfer case that is about 11ins above the ground (but that is well forward of half-way between the wheels - so isn't likely to be an issue going uphill). Halfway between the wheels, there is a good 13ins clearance under the chassis rails, the sills and the (OEM) side-steps - and it's pretty much the same back as far as the rear differential. I don't remember any of the steps on Roych being quite that big.

If I have a problem going up Roych with the Patrol, it's probably going to be traction. As you say, the steps are going to be a tad slippery (if they are wet) and the Patrol is on the original Bridgestone Duelers. Time will tell ..........

Cheers
Andrew
 
Sweety said:
Duelers may work better on a patrol like yours but on a T2 I found that you may as well have slicks on 8O I found the tyre compond to hard even for road use as the back end would become very twichy in the wet.
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I can't see a reason why they should work better on a Patrol - though I don't have any problems on road in the wet. Maybe I'm be a tad careful with the Patrol because it's still new (to me) but I'm certain that it corners way better on tarmac than my Isuzu Trooper (on BFGoodrich All Terrains) did.

At some stage, I intend to swap the Bridgestones for All Terrains - probably General Grabber AT2 (cheaper and at least as good as the BFG All terrains). If I have to be recovered again that will be sooner rather than later. :wink:

I'd need 5 x 265/70 R17 AT2 and the cheapest I've found those is around £113 fitted, i.e. £565. BFG All Terrains would be about 100 squids more. You've got to think once or twice before spending that if you don't absolutely have to.

Another option would be to get some 16ins steel wheels and the biggest MT remoulds that'll fit the Patrol - and use those just for laning. It'd probably be cheaper than buying the AT2s but am I really going to want to change the wheels every time I go laning? I think not. :(

Cheers
Andrew
 
andrewk said:
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Another option would be to get some 16ins steel wheels and the biggest MT remoulds that'll fit the Patrol - and use those just for laning. It'd probably be cheaper than buying the AT2s but am I really going to want to change the wheels every time I go laning? I think not. :(
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Have a look for Insa special tracks, these are remoulds and probaly the best you can buy at the moment. Only come in 16" and 32" is the biggest they do.

If you have the cash go for Simex(at least £200 each without wheels). Trouble is with both makes you'll not want to use it on the road much, certainly not above 50MPH because of noise and wandering.
 
The second photo of Andy's above shows the crux of the climb. In something small and short like a T2/Mav, SJ etc you can be really hard against the bank and avoid getting the big rock that Andy's front OS wheels about to go up stuck under your truck.

WRT the Insa's I'm pretty sure like most mud tyre remoulds they're not correctly speed rated for most vehicles and so could invalidate your insurance if used on the road.

There have been lots of reports of remould mud tyres breaking up on the road on both Mudclub and difflock. I've always used remoulds in the past on road cars and rally cars but I really don't like the idea of these bid mud tyres as a remould. Fine if you just go to pay and play sites with a trailer but if you're going to drive on h highway on them check the speed rating and remember its not how fast you go that matters its what rating you truck is meant to have as its more a measure of the forcs they'll put up with than outright speed.

What did you pay for em Andy?

I'm looking at Khumo KL71s myself.
 
All i can find write up wise are these, plus I know plenty of people personally that seriously rate them.

http://team.mudlark.info/index.php?topic=53.msg124

http://forums.lr4x4.com/lofiversion/index.php/t6304.html

In the bumf it states they are approx 31" but in reality they are just a tad over 32" and have about 20mm of tread 8O

I got mine from Paddocks on a wheel and tyre deal, I e mailed, then rang and generally badgered them into a deal with constant questioning and pestering, plus I alaso got my lift kit from them too. More you spend, more they discount. Otherwise generally about same price all over country. Paddocks do free delivery and build ups, valves, balance etc, next day delivery no extra.

They are speed rated for my vehicle, according to Paddocks (in writing) however I woudn't feel comfy doing over 50MPH, would be happier around 30 - 40 max.

The speedo is out now too. It reads 30mph but I'm actually doing about 32 - 33 (GPS read out) so will have to be carefull. Using it for work two nights to try get the shine off the tyres before Saturday and pass 6 cameras to work and back :roll:
 
cameraman said:
If you have the cash go for Simex(at least £200 each without wheels). Trouble is with both makes you'll not want to use it on the road much, certainly not above 50MPH because of noise and wandering.
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I know. I know!!! I know - and that's exactly why I'm not going to do it. The Trooper was a family car and a caravan tug (which is why I bought it in the first place). Laning, enjoyable though it is, has to be secondary to that. I've got to think about the Patrol in the same way - even though it's way more capable off-tarmac than the Trooper was. Add to that, a level of idleness bordering almost on the criminal - there's just no way I'm going to change a set of tyres every time I go laning - and back again afterwards.

So, it's going to have to be Bridgestone Duelers for the moment - and if they wear out or I get fed up of being recovered by Terranos (the shame of it ...... :oops: :oops: ), I'll spend some money on tyres - but it's going to have to be a tyre that's rated for 100mph plus (i.e. legal) and is quiet enough not to be a problem in day-to-day family motoring. BFG All Terrains were fine for that (never got stuck with those) - or more likely Grabber AT2s which are getting good write-ups and are cheaper. If the mood takes me, it's just possible that it might be Cooper DIscoverer STs or even BFG MTs, but I doubt it.

Cheers
Andrew
 
cameraman said:
They are speed rated for my vehicle, according to Paddocks (in writing) however I woudn't feel comfy doing over 50MPH, would be happier around 30 - 40 max.
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Y'know, I always thought a Disco could do a bit more than that. :smile:

Cheers
Andrew
 
hummingbird said:
andrewk said:
cameraman said:
Just a couple of reminders of what Stanage can look like:
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Mmmm ........ I remember it more like this -
http://www.moorside.net/photos/userfiles/gallery/Stanage/images/P1010007b.jpg 8O 8O

and like this ........
http://www.moorside.net/photos/userfiles/gallery/Stanage/images/P1010009.jpg :smile:

Cheers
Andrew
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Only with a metallic blue Disco
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Thats about the size of it, same boulder, same place, every time, up or down.......Now hopefully tomorrow it'll be differant :roll:
 
andrewk said:
it's just possible that it might be Cooper DIscoverer STs
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I run Cooper Discovery sports 235/70/16 on the Mav with no probs, they are completly silent too :wink: but then again I wouldn't take the Mav up Roych :roll:
 
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