cheaper fuel

[john77]

dont know if anyone has asked this question b4 i have a 56 plate pathfinder 2.5 dci and was wandering if anyone knows if the engine can handle being driven on red deisel, working alot cross country on farms and would save the 10 or 20 mile hike to a petrol station that charges way over a pound a litre so anyone that can help would be grate to hear from you.

 

[t-jay]

any diesel car will run on red diesel. its just a dye in the diesel that makes it red. this is because it has a lower tax duty for agricultural use. the dye stains the components in the engine. it is also very illegal to drive on the road with red diesel in your tank and if caught your vehicle can be impounded and you will face a very hefty fine.

 

[Guest]

Try cooking oil (veggie oil) mixed 50% to 80% with diesel for cheaper fuel. I hear it works well.

 

[jims-terrano]

Try cooking oil (veggie oil) mixed 50% to 80% with diesel for cheaper fuel. I hear it works well.

Will the Pathfinder fuel pump cope with Veggie Oil? I'm very cautious of the stuff. I'm sure the T2 wont and I'm sure somebody once posted that nissan don't reccomend it for use in any of their engines.

Jim T

 

[Terranosaurus]

Try cooking oil (veggie oil) mixed 50% to 80% with diesel for cheaper fuel. I hear it works well.

Will the Pathfinder fuel pump cope with Veggie Oil? I'm very cautious of the stuff. I'm sure the T2 wont and I'm sure somebody once posted that nissan don't reccomend it for use in any of their engines.

Jim T

All the manufacturers recommend not to use veg oil, but plenty of cars are ok on. I've just gone over to 100% veggie on my van a Y plate 2.8 TDi Renault Master - so far so good. Will an estimated saving of about £1000 a year I can buy an occasional fuel pump if it causes them to fail prematurely.

Older engines are ok on it,it's the modern common rail stuff, particularly engines using lucas fuel pumps that have problems, I'd have thought the 2.7 T2/Mav engines would be ok, perhaps the 3.0L might be more problematic. Try disconnecting the fuel lines and running it from a bottle of cooking oil as the "tank" under the bonnet to initially trial it then move to progressively stronger mixes in the real tank. Poor starting in cold weather is a sign your pump can't cope, but pre heaters can be fitted to help cure this. Also as with most things google is your friend, get out there on the net and see what info you can find about your particular engine.

BTW - In this country rape seed oil is recommended over sunflower etc - read the label - fortunately its the cheapest type anyway.

 

[jace]

i wouldnt put red in youll lose motor if customs dip your tank its taken me 16mths and umpteen different courts tribunuals to get an ol banger back of them general rule of thumb if it aint registered as a agricultoral vehicle and its taxed they will have you! if you dont mind paying a fine youll save a fortune its £250 for having in tank and £250 for putting into tank + recovery truck costs, i dont think the dci will like veg oil nissan will deffinately say no but thatll be to cover themselves if it goes wrong

 

[knotting-pot]

http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm

After reading the article linked to above I am pretty certain that I will be adding some Rapeseed oil to my old banger pretty soon.

 

[Deleted Member]

Sure is something to think about,just as the diesel has hit £101.9 in my area!!

 

[jace]

is it realy any wonder people running red diesel and veg oils when they want £5 gallon as for the enviromental reasons the bottoms droppin outve that argument fairly quickly now does that mean theyll admit there wrong and remove the new taxes......i dont think so

 

[Deleted Member S]

Sure is something to think about,just as the diesel has hit £101.9 in my area!!

OMG 8O 8O 8O it's 94.9 up the road from me, so when you come down Cosmic fill up at mine before you head home :smile:

 

[Deleted Member]

Yip sweety,101.9 in my town should be cheaper in jedburgh though!! if not i will be filling up down your way on sat!! :smile:

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

there is a company close to me called sunoil systems their bio diesel is 77p per litre they apparently have a web site but i have never looked!
jace is right veg oil is breaking the same law as red diesel and is just as illegal! so if you get dipped you are still in trouble!

The company i mentioned give stickers saying duty paid and their vat number and contact info, I wonder could you use some of this suplimented with veg oil in case you get in a bit of bother?

Red diesel is just straight diesel, but is generaly a bit on the dirty side and can clog your filter quicker and in rare cases injectors as it isn't transported and stored in the same clean conditions, it probably doesnt have the detergents etc. of road fuel either.

I believe to use it on the road at all you have to have a vehicle registered as an agricultural vehicel, and even then use on the raod is limited to short journeys (I.E. in between fields or adjascent farms)

I bet toolbox knows more about this!

 

[NNMan]

Yep diesel is 100.9p at my local garage.

Back home (Rannoch) it is 105p!

 

[jace]

ive loadsa paperwork from customs barrister when i went to crown court for the r3m its got more sulphur in and red dye is poisonous to marine life (an derv isnt lol) you can have 2500 l off veg oil a year without declaring but i dont see how they can police this its down to your honesty and dont keep receipts for asda veg oil 5l lol

 

[Toolbox]

Red Diesel is almost Identical to road diesel just with a dye added, it can however have a lower centane rating causing a slower combustion and it may have more sulphur in (not a bad thing). You should be able to use red without any problems
The only thing I would say is that you change you fuel filter more regularly. Red diesel seems to be delivered to farms etc, in some cases containing dirt and water. Modern Tractors comply to tier three emissions now and many manufacturers are using common rail engines that are actually very particular on fuel quality, they have very complex fuel filtration and water separation to prevent any failures, the newer tractors I work on have a centrifugal water separator incorporating a filter and a further water-trap / filter and finally another finer filter.
Just one last point, British red diesel does not actually meet the manufacturers spec for the engines in the tractors. But saying that it does not cause many problems.



CONDITIONS FOR VEHICLES USING RED DIESEL ON-ROAD

Agricultural Tractor:
Designed for use off-road and used solely for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture, forestry or verge, hedge or tree trimming bordering roads.

Agricultural Materials Handlers:
Designed for lifting goods or burden and for use off-road. Used solely for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture, forestry or verge, hedge or tree trimming bordering roads.

Light Agricultural Vehicle:
Weight not exceeding 1,000 kg, single seat, off-road design and construction and used solely for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture or forestry. Must be licensed (VED) as Limited Use.

Agricultural Engine:
Designed for use off-road and used solely for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture, forestry. Only used on road for going between places where used for these purposes, and not carrying a load other than is necessary for its operation. Examples would include self-propelled sprayers and combine harvesters.

Agricultural Processing Vehicle:
Designed for use off-road and used solely for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture, forestry. Designed and used for conveying built-in machinery for use when the vehicle is stationary. Only used on road for going between places where used for these purposes, and not carrying a load other than is necessary for its operation. Examples would include self propelled feed mills or seed dressers.

Unlicensed vehicles not used on public roads:
Must be declared SORN (Statutory Off-Road Notification) and not taken on public roads.

Vehicles used between different parts of land:
Only used on-road for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture or forestry, and for moving a maximum distance of 1.5km between
land owned by the same person. Must be licensed (VED) in the ‘Limited Use’ category.

Mowing Machine:
No conditions.

Gritting Machine:
Constructed or adapted for, and used solely for gritting etc. to deal with frost, ice or snow.

Snow Clearing Machine:
Being used, or travelling to or from a place to be used, for snow clearance on public roads.

 

[john77]

thanks

thanks everyone for your response especailly toolbox. i would never be using just str8 red deisel it would only be to top up to save driving to the pumps so there would always be around 50% white mixed in with it. but thanks all for ur help. like i have always said why pay when u dont have to lol, happy and safe driving everyone ... john

 

[jace]

there was talk of doing away with red diesel europe again if i remember right farmers would have to send in tally of how much white had gone in tractor all i could see there is mr palmers tractor now drinks twice as much diesel but his landrover doesent lol.
there is a percentage ratio of red/white u r legally alowed but its nowwhere near 50% more 5%

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i htink putting red in with your white is a bad move as it will all turn red and you will be prosecuted just the same so you may as well have a tank of red!

I just knew toolbox would have the answers and i wasnt too far wrong :wink:

 

[terranokid]

red diesel will be gone by next october but legitimate people will be able to reclaim some of the tax back

 

[Deleted Member S]

I'm sure over I seen it on telly the other week that in Ireland they have Green diesel instead of our Red :roll: Sorry it's a bit off topic but I wondered if anyone had heard of this