cheaper fuel

[terranokid]

my car runs on white diesel but I like a drop of the old black stuff :lol:

 

[jace]

i was told by lads from gaydon camp they run militery stuff on green derv

 

[Deleted Member]

Just found this,abit old i know!! :smile:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,807299,00.html

 

[jace]

theyve relented as theyve had to admit through gritted teeth its more enviromentally freindly than diesel 2500l a yrs your limit i believe but who in there right minds gonna say i used 5000l so how much do i owe you mr chancelor!

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

there are sellers on ebay who sell diesel dye to colour it any colour you like! blue being the favourite. It is a precaution against fuel theives but apparently will dye any diesel blue (even red) so is used by soime illicit people as camoflage for red diesel.

Havng said all this it is still breaking the law and i am not condoning it, obviously nor should this club but if you should happen to come accross it while searching whats the harm in it :wink:

 

[knotting-pot]

jace is right veg oil is breaking the same law as red diesel and is just as illegal! so if you get dipped you are still in trouble!

I didn't think this was the case, I may be wrong but I thought we were allowed x number of litres per year??

 

[jace]

theyve recently changed it to allow you 2500l without payin tax over that your suposed to tell them,but before anything you used as fuel had to be declared an taxed i thought about payin the tax etc on 500gallon cherry running it as a never ending 500gallon asa whos to say what milage etc was on trucks when started but if you by more than 110l i think it was the seller is required to forward any details on you to hmrc

 

[nenook]

bio diesel

Hi I have just found a firm selling a home biodiesel maker, £330. 00 delivered. it would save me a fortune, has anyone run a r3m on the stuff? any comments, ? ratios of mix? if any is needed.?I know the subject has been covered but the post is quite old,
cheers

nenook

 

[R1cho]

Hi I have just found a firm selling a home biodiesel maker, £330. 00 delivered. it would save me a fortune, has anyone run a r3m on the stuff? any comments, ? ratios of mix? if any is needed.?I know the subject has been covered but the post is quite old,
cheers

nenook

A diesel engine will run on 100% bio as long as you make it right its all summat to do with the washing of it or summat and the microns

 

[nenook]

bio diesel

cheers thats what i thought, but wasent 100 % sure

 

[zippy656]

take a good look here.. http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/misc.php?action=login

£330 dont sound right to me, to cheap. but i may be wrong

loads to read there about bio and cooking oil.. i dont make bio. to messy just use cooking oil from the bottle...

 

[lacroupade]

First time you use 100% biodiesel, especially home made, it will strip your entire system of all the gunge, gunk and shite thats built up and it will all end up in your filter which will need changing pronto.....but its a once-only flush.

 

[geoffdown]

First time you use 100% biodiesel, especially home made, it will strip your entire system of all the gunge, gunk and shite thats built up and it will all end up in your filter which will need changing pronto.....but its a once-only flush.

they say run 50% bio 1st tank then change filter, then u can increase each tank full i.e 75% then 100% that way u wont get all the crap in the filter and might block it up and stop running when its not the right place to change ur filter hope that makes sense.

 

[kbekl]

so would that be an idea to run 100% bio every so often then

 

[geoffdown]

so would that be an idea to run 100% bio every so often then

once u have run on bio properly i.e 50% first then filter channge then increase till u r running 100% stick with 100% like me and makeit fit as its just 74 0r 82p a litre so it would of only cost u £24.68 in stead of £40 but u have to find some1 relible to make it i have so im happy:lol but not sure if the big horns ip likes bio some dont thats y i got the terrano 2.7tdi with bosch:augie

 

[lacroupade]

Just remember lads that terminology is a bit confusing.

When the major petrochemicals talk about bio-diesel they mean normal diesel that has anywhere from 5% to 30% diesel derived from bio sources. The way they make it you DO NOT get the gunge-stripping effect and your filters are 100% safe.

BUT, when you talk about 'biodiesel' at 60-70p/litre, its usually home-made from used chip fat and stinky chemicals that don't get stripped out, unlike what the petrochemical companies can do with their fractionating processes.

I'm not sure what the legal position is either; someone might want to remind me. With SVO (clean, new vegetable/rapeseed/sunflower oil etc..) you can use 2500 litres per annum with no duty...exceed that by one litre and you pay on THE LOT. But that tax break was introduced specially to stop HMRC and the rozzers having to waste time with what is a very small user base relatively since no new diesel engines run on SVO.

Can't remember what the situation is with home-made bio-diesel; there might be a 'personal use' limit but if you're buying commercially there will almost certainly need to be duty on it.....which I suspect there isn't at 70p/litre! Just a little cautionary for ya......:thumbs

 

[geoffdown]

Just remember lads that terminology is a bit confusing.

When the major petrochemicals talk about bio-diesel they mean normal diesel that has anywhere from 5% to 30% diesel derived from bio sources. The way they make it you DO NOT get the gunge-stripping effect and your filters are 100% safe.

BUT, when you talk about 'biodiesel' at 60-70p/litre, its usually home-made from used chip fat and stinky chemicals that don't get stripped out, unlike what the petrochemical companies can do with their fractionating processes.

I'm not sure what the legal position is either; someone might want to remind me. With SVO (clean, new vegetable/rapeseed/sunflower oil etc..) you can use 2500 litres per annum with no duty...exceed that by one litre and you pay on THE LOT. But that tax break was introduced specially to stop HMRC and the rozzers having to waste time with what is a very small user base relatively since no new diesel engines run on SVO.

Can't remember what the situation is with home-made bio-diesel; there might be a 'personal use' limit but if you're buying commercially there will almost certainly need to be duty on it.....which I suspect there isn't at 70p/litre! Just a little cautionary for ya......:thumbs

if you make ur own bio diesel from waste oil you can make 2500litres and not have to pay the tax if u produce more then you need to pay the duty. if u buy bio at 60-70p a litre then ur just paying the 5% vat for heating but u can not tell the diff from heating bio fuel or road bio fuel as it come out the same big tank no die hope that clears things up and yes u r right u can use 2500lites of svo before u have to pay for the duty but for some reason some people that were stopped by the police were saying the cops asked i surpose you only use 2499litres of svo:doh

 

[pablo0874]

:thumbshello have i got this right then i can go by svo out the supermarket stick it in my tank mixed with diesel and it will run ??? dont worry im slow to catch on ,
i have a terrano 2 27tdi p reg drive by wire not sure what pump is in it though:thumbs

 

[lacroupade]

:thumbshello have i got this right then i can go by svo out the supermarket stick it in my tank mixed with diesel and it will run ??? dont worry im slow to catch on ,
i have a terrano 2 27tdi p reg drive by wire not sure what pump is in it though:thumbs

plenty of threads on this but yes is the answer. a 50/50 mix ensures no problems but it can run on close to 100% in summer....the only thing you get if you have too high an SVO content at this time of year is a bit of coughing at startup.....

 

[lacroupade]

if you make ur own bio diesel from waste oil you can make 2500litres and not have to pay the tax if u produce more then you need to pay the duty. if u buy bio at 60-70p a litre then ur just paying the 5% vat for heating but u can not tell the diff from heating bio fuel or road bio fuel as it come out the same big tank no die hope that clears things up and yes u r right u can use 2500lites of svo before u have to pay for the duty but for some reason some people that were stopped by the police were saying the cops asked i surpose you only use 2499litres of svo:doh

Been doing some reading on the HMRC site and it seems thats not quite the case.

It seems the "2500 litres for personal use" thing probably still applies but if its produced for sale then it attracts duty at a rate 20p/litre less than diesel, so it should be priced at around £1/litre......that reduced rate ONLY applies (i) if its been made from waste veg oil and (ii) now only until 2012, when the duty rate rises to the same as normal diesel.

My point was just that anyone buying home-made biodiesel for their truck at 70p a litre is probably not paying the full rate of duty.....which is no big deal unless someone latches on to the fact I guess.

As for the SVO limit, its the drivers responsibility in theory to prove his actual usage with recepts etc..., but the reality is the police/HMRC simply don't check any more - like I said, the limit was introduced because the number of vehicles that can run on the stuff is very small relatively.