Another 3 points!

[Deleted account DD]

dont be so harsh on Mundy, the LAW are way worse for breaking speed limits than your average driver liek Mundy. I bet that camera van broke the limit to get there.

Its a tough one though, because if you challenge it, you coudl end up worse off. But as other have suggested, try to find out if the equipment was calibrated correctly, wass a trainee copper using it etc etc, the only problem is you cant get this info unless you challenge them!!

the law sir, is an ass. most of the time.

Not being harsh on him at all in fact at great pains to point out I aint judging him just stating the way it is and the balance of evidence that will be placed AGAINST him. Read it properly :thumb2

As far as the van speeding to get there, or a trainee using the unit, or even the calibration.............what a load of ~~~~.

Dig out the ACPO guidlines and read, theyre in the public domain.

The law is an Ass at times no prob , but not at others. Most people who say it is , carte blanche, generally have little or no understanding of it or dont want to know

Just out of interest are you aware that most areas still use the principle that the road in question must have had a level of injury/death over a year to be allowed as a target road

I'm not actually a fan at all of the cameras though I accept their limited use is relevant. As far as punishment goes, dont start me on that one :augie

 

[Deleted account DD]

Invest in a snooper device,

:thumb2

 

[P40MRT]

Well I guess that makes 90% of the population criminals then....so you've never ever exceeded the speed limit - ever?

I don't claim to be a saint - yes, I have, and occasionally still do break the speed limit. I got three points back in 2001 for doing 37 in a 30 limit, but I accepted the punishment - I took the points and paid the fine.

 

[tezzer]

i use the road angel with mobile camera alert, it senses front and rear for radar, it works very well, it picks out the bridges over m25 with cameras, if you can get one go for it, got mine from e-bay, be careful because some dont see radar. :naughty



tezzer

 

[zippy656]

i use the road angel with mobile camera alert, it senses front and rear for radar, it works very well, it picks out the bridges over m25 with cameras, if you can get one go for it, got mine from e-bay, be careful because some dont see radar. :naughty



tezzer

but Terry, if it sees the radar, is it not to late?

same with them all, best not speed. in the first place :clap

 

[lacroupade]

Just out of interest are you aware that most areas still use the principle that the road in question must have had a level of injury/death over a year to be allowed as a target road

I thought that was the case - I'd heard a figure of a three or five km radius which is the justification sometimes used for siting a camera van in an 'easy pickings' location on some quiet road that happens to be within spitting distance of, say, a dual carriageway with a track record.

I think thats what pees most folks off...they are so often sited in places where its easy to guarantee a return, as opposed to genuinely reducing accident rates.

I once went to the local police station to complain about the fact that a camera van had been parked up no less than six times in five months in a small, quiet village where a 40 limit turned into a 30 on a long shallow bend so it was easy to catch people as they slowed...having lived in the area for 30-odd years I know theres never been so much as a pushbike accident down there, so have to assume the parish council is noisy or connected...but of course it happens to be only a mile from the passing A34 dual carriageway.

Yet the damn thing could have been used somewhere that was a genuine danger to keep people alert.

I remember when I used to drive in Ireland a lot, the thing that slowed me down the most was a simple 'Accident Blackspot' sign, because they only used them where that was genuinely the case, so you knew it was in your best interests to take care.

Oh that and the odd tinker brewing up on a fire in the middle of the road (I swear! ask Pajo - not that he was the tinker of course!).

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Not being funny, but you've committed a crime - take the punishment and learn the lesson...

until all the evidence is in we dont know he has, get a copy of the photo if you can and see if there are any other vehicles in the frame, and follow the advice above, if the equipent or procedure was wrong then you have not comited a crime, that is only the case once you have been convicted and punished.

accepting it maybe the wrong thing to do, as surely it is a crime in itself to admit to something you may not have done? so make sure first and then if it is the case that you are in the wrong then as P40MRT says you have to face the music!

 

[Deleted account DD]

Theres no doubt in my mind some areas did immediately see cash signs rolling past them when the legislation allowed remote camera prosecutions which imho are often a step back.

However as I said earlier , although the rules have now been changed, you used to have to prove a reason for the cameras operating in a given area, a lot of areas still stick by that and only deviate when a significant and proven number of complaints are received.

An example of that, and I defy anyone to put the camera op in the wrong, is near us.

It was identified that on a major single carriageway where a massive number of HGVs pass per day including hazardous goods, the speed limit was being thrashed.

A survey was done (camera measuring not prosecuting )and this was found to be the case along with a significant level of poor driving.

A large scale campaign was launched and anyone in the industry around the area must have retired under a rock for two months if they missed it.

Another survey was conducted after those two months and although the average had dropped the worst offenders who were generally in excess remained the 7.5t plus hazardous goods carriers !!!!!!!!!!!! ie potentially the most dangerous to be involved in any kind of incident.

A decision was made to enforce and another message was sent out stating that. There are also camera signs all along that road.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone now caught along there, no doubt the motorist who passes me most mornings in his performance saloon at approx 80 to 90mph near a crest alongside a one way emerging junction will be the poor innocent caught. or perhaps it will be the other performance saloon that went past the camera team (yes and they were were in an overt vehicle) at 1pm on a busy day and was recorded @ 100mph. Thats either dangerous driving gross stupidity or both!!!

Feel sorry for them..................not a chance...........if anyone else falls into the net that's stopping them, tough.

Most of us are no angels but not stupid or reckless . Thats the difference.

 

[Liam]

Not only brewing up,now they race these trotting horses on them and have even done so on Motorways and dual carriageways and other major roads. Heard recently our Criminal Assets Bureau is looking very closely at their shiny cars and caravans, with a view to determining where the cash came from. Anyway the police here do the same thing with speed traps, always on good roads and entering 30mph zones.

 

[lacroupade]

Not only brewing up,now they race these trotting horses on them and have even done so on Motorways and dual carriageways and other major roads. Heard recently our Criminal Assets Bureau is looking very closely at their shiny cars and caravans, with a view to determining where the cash came from. Anyway the police here do the same thing with speed traps, always on good roads and entering 30mph zones.

god bless the tinkers!!! thats hysterical!

 

[tezzer]

but Terry, if it sees the radar, is it not to late?

same with them all, best not speed. in the first place :clap

you can set the distance- 1000mts, 500mts or 250 mts, what they do down here is to park up just past a speed sign, so if you dont slow down straight away your nicked. <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253Fpartner%253DZSzeb008%255FZSfox000%2526i%253D18%252F18%255F5%255F1%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18/18_5_1.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0"><img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252Fnocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egif%253Fi%253D18%252F18_5_1%2526uiv%253D3.0/image.gif"></a>


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[(RIP) PLANK]

I appreciate that here are a lot of wantonly dangerous drivers out there and that most of these measures are to kerb their driving. But i thnk now for all uk drivers the speeding thing has become a lottery where anyone could fall foul at anytime, unless they speed limit their vehicles to 29 mph and drive like a retired vicar. I understand speed is dangerous, but surley any driving is, and the good judgment of experienced drivers is being undervalued in all this?

just my thoughts!

 

[Mundy]

Cheers for feedback. However if I ask for photo etc.. They can then turn round and give me 6 points and £1000 fine, is that correct?

If I'd parked my van where theres was I would be given a ticket.

Would a speed camera detector unit thing have picked a mobile camera van up?

 

[Deleted account DD]

Mundy, you must phone the "Safety Camera Partnership" office before you either reject or accept the conditional offer. They will advise you on what info will be disclosed before you elect to reject and head for court where the penalties CAN be higher but if found Guilty costs WILL be incurred.

Hope that helps as a starter for ten :thumb2

 

[Deleted account DD]

Tezzer.........you will probably be quite distressed to know that they do not need to put out the camera warning signs now in any case and speed limit signs should be treat as an absolute science.

Plank.........Good point and one I have argued (actually got a magazine article published :thumbs ) , however in this day and age of cost conscious business for everything it is deemed more effective to use a non discretionary camera than have a cop dealing and applying common sense but in the case of real bad guys detecting more offences at a stop.

Funny old world.

 

[Deleted account DD]

Mundy I've just looked again, oops..note to take it all in next time:

Ticket for parking? depends on local parking regs and whetehr you were obstructing the working van. Chances are yes.

Detector? depends on your detection equipment and theirs. The Missus road angel as it is set up detects statics and mobiles in our area but not mobiles in some others.

Theres forums full of anoraks and databases around the web who can answer you that. :augie

 

[Deleted Member S]

Cheers for feedback. However if I ask for photo etc.. They can then turn round and give me 6 points and £1000 fine, is that correct?

As far as I know no they can't because your just asking to make 100% sure it was you & not someone else as there are plenty of cloned vehicles on the roads even a member on here addmitted to doing it:augie

 

[makeitfit]

Warning. Adult 18 Only. No Lightweights !

Cheers for feedback. However if I ask for photo etc.. They can then turn round and give me 6 points and £1000 fine, is that correct?

If I'd parked my van where theres was I would be given a ticket.

Would a speed camera detector unit thing have picked a mobile camera van up?

Right listen up:sly
No way can they add points for a pic, nor the fine,FACT
Now as you were obviously photo'd and not stopped this is what you do.
Wait till a few days before the time is up to respond to the letter you've had.
Write asking for a photo of the speeding car so you can work out who was driving the car that day. Nothing else.
You will eventually recieve a pic of your car and hopefully not a beaming smiling pic of YOU.
You then need to carefully check the pic for ANY anomolies with it and your car. Also if the pic is from the back, just say your mate from Australia was driving that day. Simple as :thumbs
If you dont believe me PM me for details absolute:naughty

 

[Deleted account DD]

a/ incitement?
b/ meet my mate going down and we're not talking pleasure.

Seriously mundy, be very very careful. Now the cameras have been around a while there aint a defence that hasnt been tried from foreign unidentified relatives (dont forget who the car is regisered to and if it aint its taken away) through to medical emergencies. Despite the folklore theres very very few survive once you take it from lawful process to lottery.

 

[Deleted account DD]

No way can they add points for a pic, nor the fine,FACT
:naughty

I dont think that was ever said :nenau

Anomolies.................let me tell you the one about the respray.........absolute no shit.

or the bloke who drove past sticking two fingers up