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I think the lack of resources really boils down to cash or rather the lack of it. If we as a country were to equip our services and authorities to be able to cope with these and other rare problems then our taxes would sky rocket. The poor councils trying to keep costs down are being told by central government to cut costs even further starting this year are damd if they do and damd if they don't. If the local authorities had stocked up with grit then council taxes would be even higher.

Jim T
 
a bit off topic but now that you have mentioned it:

salting roads, environmetaly dangerous polution to water courses etc, so why does everyone secream for more while slaggin off 4x4's?

also the gritting lorries use alot of diesel making lots more co2, so do all the hatchbacks runnig the engines to keep warm in the traffic jams they are stuck in as they can't get through a couple of inches of snow.

so instead of blaming the government why not get a set of snow chains, they are compulsory in many parts of europe, or some decent winter tyres?

you know these snow moaners dont even bother to put on a decent pair of shoes! our postman was complaining yesterday about his feet getting cold and wet every day because of the snow, blames the council for not gritting pavements bear in mind he works out doors all weathers full time! and he was wearing trainers :doh

I have every sympathy for those affected by the weather but wouldn't providing ourselves with a bit of basic cold weather equipment, e.g, boots and a wooly hat for starters be better than keep asking the goverment for help - or is this the ultimate example of the nanny state?

moan over :thumbs
 
One of the funniest accounts (in a darkly humorous way) regarding gritting I heard was with regards to what its made up of.

Apparently it often contains molasses which makes it stick better to the road.

This practice was banned in some areas of Europe after several serious accidents involving vehicles and various badgers, dogs, foxes and other animals who got distracted licking the road they were supposed to be crossing :lol....sorry :(

You really couldnt make it up could you :D
 
daved said:
Youre dead right. 4hrs is highly optimistic to get them on scene, In fact 48 hrs to mobilise TA is nigh on impossible, not because they wouldnt its pure logistics. Plus of course many resources are elsewhere at the mo.

The red tape inst difficult to cut through with the help of the liaison officer but they then have some pretty high up folk to answer to :thumb2
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Hey I know that feeling, I have to answer to the MRS (missus) and its her motor!
 
Thomas-the-Terrano2 said:
er cos this is my time...hers is emmerdale corry and those miserable walforders!

anyroad how do you know this is me and not her ??? now thats scarry.
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because she is better looking than you, now bugger off and give her a turn at the keyboard :lol
 
daved said:
Evening, I do actually understand the terminology (well I'm presuming I've got alien things like continuous personal dev correct ? ), many of us originate from an active military background and bimble along from there :D It seems you have had a rather mixed background looking at the establishments you have attended. However moving swiftly back onto topic there are still gaps in your cv that would be picked up on as I suspected, I can assure you and I'm sure you'll concede ;)

I wouldnt have expected you to search anyone, in fact I wouldnt have expected you to have any contact whatsoever with an arrested bod and thats where the problem starts.

The answer is for forces to maintain some kind of 4x4 capability, be it a buy in as required resilience or permanent fleet. We have them on fleet.




I will reiterate a point I have made time and time again in public and in pm's which demonstrates no chipping away has been conducted, I believe va's are invaluable and have the utmost respect for them. It is the use they are put to that concerns me.

Transportation of prisoners and custody is a core police function.

Business continuity of core functions are a clear legislated responsibility of the force.

If they do not have contingency measures in place to full fill those using properly accredited fully trained staff with proper equipment they are failing. I'm pretty certain they'd get (or heading towards) a red from HMI for this one :augie

I would put forward the point that even if my or anyone else's risk asses saw you as suitable, what happens when the bloke 6 cops are sitting on in the town centre following the stabbing needs transporting and youre not available :confused: who would do it then :confused:

As far as furthering the aims, read my earlier posts. I have a genuine professional interest in this one. The question I am asking myself before I start writing reports is what roles for you would I suggest to any development team ?

Transporting prisoners is unlikely to be one ;)

I intend continuing collating information of which this thread is one part :) but once you scratch the surface theres a lot more to it.

If you feel due to the public nature of the forum theres more to say I can provide you with my secure email addr for contact :thumb2

oh and one last thing......please drop the unqualified use of the title "superiors" that really does date you in theses modern times ;) (me too of course) It is manager, supervisor or similar. informally boss. The reason stems from a bit of pc culture but its also practical. We work to skill and knowledge levels. I'm not superior to anyone who advises me or passes me info, in fact if theyre doing that theyre superior to me cos they know more on the topic :thumb2
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:) As I said, I'm old school................ my cv has some considerable gaps in from your point of view, but then, I'd not and would prefer not, to disclose much more. I've followed a highly specialist career overall with lots of offshoots to encapsulate operational requirements, (jargon to say that red tape prevents me from doing my job unless I have the necessary paperwork) As for superiors, well, my bosses are, to be honest, I hold them in the utmost, they've seen more operational stuff than I care to mention in a very wide scope, I'll refer to them as management from now on.
I agree that transporting prisoners is not for the general public and should only really be done by police officers, only in the most dire circumstances should anything else be considered.
Just for the record, north wales police usually hire in 4x4's to cover bad weather etc but the post office had got them all, that's what really caused the requirement for 4x4R.

If you'd like to follow this privately, my email address can be pm'd no problem, I've said most of what I can on here.
 
That is an excellent example of what can be done to provide resilience when all else fails.

Theres no way the situation in that country could have been mitigated and its time to step in if you can with the skills you have.

What I'd want to make sure of is that va's are not used as a sticking plaster to cover others failings.

That guy in the film is effective, helpful, modest and completely unpretentious :thumb2
 
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