Access to land

Deleted account DD · Feb 6, 2011

Sorry cant find the thread from a couple of days back so heres a new one..................

Out with the dogs yeaterday, new sign apeared on what used to be a public area.

Looks like the sell off is kicking in all over !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The thing Ive set off wondering , I know off road bikers, 4x4ers , mountain bikers and walkers sometimes come to blows but surely this is one issue where we should all be working together on :nenau

is there anything going on :nenau any united action groups forming up :nenau

trust me if they go for bits of land like this we're fcukd

makeitfit · Feb 6, 2011

daved said:
Sorry cant find the thread from a couple of days back so heres a new one..................

Out with the dogs yeaterday, new sign apeared on what used to be a public area.

Looks like the sell off is kicking in all over !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The thing Ive set off wondering , I know off road bikers, 4x4ers , mountain bikers and walkers sometimes come to blows but surely this is one issue where we should all be working together on :nenau

is there anything going on :nenau any united action groups forming up :nenau

trust me if they go for bits of land like this we're fcukd

Here's the link to the petition site I did last week.
If you contact them "38degrees" I think, then they have a big campaign building now. Also includes how to write to your mp etc
For those that didnt vote, this will even tell you who your MP is

http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11629

jace · Feb 6, 2011

can they do anything to you if you ignore sign?,tresspass aint criminal unless you cause damage or have a weapon like air rifle with you so walking your dog shouldnt matter? always said religion was sick this proves it even gods ill and in need of a hospital??
we used to have a mod,cammeraman who did all the rights of way stuff but he left
http://www.hospitalofgod.org.uk/

Deleted account DD · Feb 6, 2011

jace said:
can they do anything to you if you ignore sign?,tresspass aint criminal unless you cause damage or have a weapon like air rifle with you so walking your dog shouldnt matter? always said religion was sick this proves it even gods ill and in need of a hospital??
we used to have a mod,cammeraman who did all the rights of way stuff but he left
http://www.hospitalofgod.org.uk/

They've stuffed up anyway.

They've put up 5 signs all facing one direction (ones been trashed already).

Therefore , as we did, its very possible to go into that area from a different direction on a proper path and not see a sign.

So no way , at the moment anyway, they can enforce it. Im sure the trustees of a charity would have something to say if they did spend a lot enforcing it.

I just cant see what they hope to achieve by taking it over :nenau

(RIP) PLANK · Feb 6, 2011

it all started with the 'inclosure acts' (mostly 1750 -1860) and went downhill from there. From my point of view, mountain bikers, ramblers and 4x4 users fighting for access to land is more than a little ironic :nenau

jace · Feb 6, 2011

yeagh but its not criminal an i doubt your local police are gonna come unless it is kids on bikes etc!

(RIP) PLANK · Feb 6, 2011

jace said:
yeagh but its not criminal an i doubt your local police are gonna come unless it is kids on bikes etc!

oh, the irony of it, it's the battle of the bean fields all over again :lol

Liam · Feb 6, 2011

RamblersAssociation.From their website;
Forestry Commission land sales

Whilst the Ramblers are not necessarily anti-sales there are five key criteria which should be met before any sales are considered. These are:
1) Public access is maintained and enhanced;
2) Public rights of way and access land are properly managed;
3) No sale or transfer is completed until the purchaser has committed to preserving and maintaining access;
4) Where access is currently not secured in law, this is remedied through CROW Act dedication;
5) The local community is consulted and given the opportunity to play a full and active part in woodland management, including first-refusal on purchase.

Deleted account DD · Feb 6, 2011

Liam said:
RamblersAssociation.From their website;
Forestry Commission land sales

Whilst the Ramblers are not necessarily anti-sales there are five key criteria which should be met before any sales are considered. These are:
1) Public access is maintained and enhanced;
2) Public rights of way and access land are properly managed;
3) No sale or transfer is completed until the purchaser has committed to preserving and maintaining access;
4) Where access is currently not secured in law, this is remedied through CROW Act dedication;
5) The local community is consulted and given the opportunity to play a full and active part in woodland management, including first-refusal on purchase.

seems too sensible to be true

them lot near us have trounced every one of those points.

jace · Feb 6, 2011

they have god on there side lol!

(RIP) PLANK · Feb 6, 2011

daved said:
seems too sensible to be true

them lot near us have trounced every one of those points.

'seems' is the word, first you would need a working definition of their view of 'public' and 'access'. The argument for peoples right to access the country side? It's about 500 years too late for that :thumb2

jace · Feb 6, 2011

i thought (no exspert mind!) you could goonto unfenced land so long as u cause no nuisence or damage?

Deleted account DD · Feb 6, 2011

jace said:
i thought (no exspert mind!) you could goonto unfenced land so long as u cause no nuisence or damage?

Not sure about that but I do know that whilst you may not remain on land once youre aware its private nor enter it (like that sign) if theres nothing to tell you or indicate its private its incredibly difficult to make any action stick.

jims-terrano · Feb 6, 2011

How long have the public had unrestricted and unchallenged access to the footpaths? is there not something in law that says after so many years it becomes a right of way?

Jim

lacroupade · Feb 6, 2011

daved said:
Not sure about that but I do know that whilst you may not remain on land once youre aware its private nor enter it (like that sign) if theres nothing to tell you or indicate its private its incredibly difficult to make any action stick.

even if there is, the laws of trespass are such that its difficult to remove anyone legally (or prosecute unless there is serious damage to the land somehow).

Adz · Feb 6, 2011

If its not owned by the forestry they will sell it

Rights of Way...

more like...

No Bloody Rights...

briggie · Feb 6, 2011

but ..... dont we ( as the public ) actually own forestry commision land ? :augie

lacroupade · Feb 6, 2011

briggie said:
but ..... dont we ( as the public ) actually own forestry commision land ? :augie

until the government sells it yes....FC is a non profit-making organisation though so you can imagine....

briggie · Feb 6, 2011

lacroupade said:
until the government sells it yes....FC is a non profit-making organisation though so you can imagine....

so ..... we could actually be trespassing on our own land ? :augie..... hmmm food for thought :augie:lol

Deleted account DD · Feb 6, 2011

lacroupade said:
even if there is, the laws of trespass are such that its difficult to remove anyone legally (or prosecute unless there is serious damage to the land somehow).

my point exactly, virtually unenforcable.

Anyway I was going to write to those lot on the sign and ask them if their god had finished being the caring sharing sort.

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