Zippy and 4x4 response

[jims-terrano]

me and jim have had quite a few chats with regard to my intentions , however . the sheer cost of equipment is cost prohibitive at the mo , a foundation licence is not me at all ..... i try my best in every thing i do ( not always succesfull , but i try ) .... and would only be happy with a full ham licence ..... so i dont see the point in purchasing equipment for a foundation holder ..... see my point ?

You can use same kit just drop power down if it is above your license. Some nice Dual Band hand held's with extended recieve for £89!!!!

Jim

 

[Terranosaurus]

this was just posted on YK4x4R forum

Hi
A Foundation course will be starting at Keighley radio club in the New Year.
The course will be about 9 to 10 hours work.
This will be done on a Thursday night at the club.
We will need to know how many students we have by the 5th Jan and will hope to start the course on the 13th Jan 2011.

http://www.bdcc.co.uk/XMarksTheSpot.htm?g=SE0656442238&t=SE0656442238

And if I was being holier than though then sorry but we have the being 100% legit put on us from from user services as Responders.

 

[Deleted account DD]

what exactly does class 1 business use mean ? :nenau , we have to have it on both vehicles because sheilas work insist on it for any vehicles she may use

Not sure, there are nuances between companies, I always tell them (usually on the phone which they state they record :thumb2) exactly what tasks I'll be undertaking and the mileage pa covered then let them decide.

 

[Deleted account DD]

Just out of interest, if you were out in the snow with your truck minding your own business and you stumble upon someone that needs a tug out of a hole. So tow strops attached off you go and oh no their chassis is bent or something. Just who will be held liable? In this day and age people are only too willing to claim the shirt off your back so I can only advise caution.


Jim

Thats a very very good point and well worthy of consideration :thumb2

It also clearly shows the difference between predetermined and spontaneous response.

Generally if it got as far as someone standing in a court trying to get the shirt off your back and youd helped them out when you came across them stranded I would suggest its unlikely the decision would go against you. You acted in good faith to preserve life and property whilst attempting to prevent further loss of either. You did not have the facility or time to pre determine the risks and potential problems in doing that and acted in good faith :thumb2

However when you are responding or deployed on a predetermined basis exercising declared skills, abilities and equipment you have generally had ample time to consider all of the common risks and pitfalls AND produce measures and procedures to mitigate them. Fail to do that and you could end up right in it as they say.

The more "modern" , "trendy" or "aware" amongst us may call that risk assesment which others would leap upon and slag off as "whats happening to our country" . However the simple fact of the matter is its common sense which in many occasions is sadly uncommon so things need pointing out and establishing formally :doh:naughty

A god example of a protocol based on say Raynet deploying (purely hypothetical) may contain the caveat:

"Raynet volunteers will not be directed by the incident commander to undertake any role other than providing telecommunication links. This does not however prevent any Raynet volunteer acting upon their own initiative to provide humanitarian assistance as they see fit and at their own discretion and at their own risk"

So as the incident commander or requesting agency have stuck them out there, they have clearly stated the parameters of directed operation and given the incident commander (usually Police Silver in a major Incident) and the volunteer agency members (and their liaison officer) a clear steer.

Be careful out there :thumb2

 

[Deleted account DD]

why on earth would anyone want to walk to Barrow????? the best thing about that dump is the road out of it :lol:lol:lol

:thumb2


we recce'd the place with a view to returning with the caravan.

We had a weekend in Scotland instead :augie

 

[Terranosaurus]

With all the talk of recovery and damaging vehilces I'd just like to point out that in general that is not what 4x4 response does, there may be an occasional tow but not recovery - if a vhicle is that stuck it will e clear of the highway and can stay where it is until proper recovery can make it. Cars that have lost traction may be towed out of the way to clear roads on occasion but most 4x4R work is in replacing convention vehicles in adverse conditions, be they user services vehicles or that of there staff getting into work. For instance we do a lot of key staff into work "taxi runs", but this very night we have a vehicle at a hospital to support the out of hours service if they need to do home visits. Other examples are district nurse runs etc

 

[briggie]

With all the talk of recovery and damaging vehilces I'd just like to point out that in general that is not what 4x4 response does, there may be an occasional tow but not recovery - if a vhicle is that stuck it will e clear of the highway and can stay where it is until proper recovery can make it. Cars that have lost traction may be towed out of the way to clear roads on occasion but most 4x4R work is in replacing convention vehicles in adverse conditions, be they user services vehicles or that of there staff getting into work. For instance we do a lot of key staff into work "taxi runs", but this very night we have a vehicle at a hospital to support the out of hours service if they need to do home visits. Other examples are district nurse runs etc

nurses :sly.... in uniforms ? :naughty

 

[zippy656]

carefull, youll be in hospital again....

 

[MontysMaverick]

nurses :sly.... in uniforms ? :naughty

This is more like it....


As for your replies about the ham radio bit, Pete you know as well as I do that whatever "hobby" you engage in there are a few who are always seen as "holier than thou" but I can honestly say that I havent come across many, maybe 3 in nearly 40 yrs, Im active on the bands everyday, and yes I hear people complaining about operating techniques etc but at the end of the day Ham Radio has many facets and I do commend you for saying that youd want a full blown class 1 licence, but that is a personal issue that only you can decide as to how far you want to go, but Pete, as Jim says you are a excellent asset to any associated part of radio communications what ever radio you may be using, Hf gear is available at resonable rates and vhf/uhf is coming down in price daily, If I can help in anyway if you do decide to pursue your licence let me know, anytime Pete.

 

[briggie]

This is more like it....


As for your replies about the ham radio bit, Pete you know as well as I do that whatever "hobby" you engage in there are a few who are always seen as "holier than thou" but I can honestly say that I havent come across many, maybe 3 in nearly 40 yrs, Im active on the bands everyday, and yes I hear people complaining about operating techniques etc but at the end of the day Ham Radio has many facets and I do commend you for saying that youd want a full blown class 1 licence, but that is a personal issue that only you can decide as to how far you want to go, but Pete, as Jim says you are a excellent asset to any associated part of radio communications what ever radio you may be using, Hf gear is available at resonable rates and vhf/uhf is coming down in price daily, If I can help in anyway if you do decide to pursue your licence let me know, anytime Pete.

anyway ..... back to the nurses in uniform ..........:naughty

 

[Deleted account DD]

With all the talk of recovery and damaging vehilces I'd just like to point out that in general that is not what 4x4 response does, there may be an occasional tow but not recovery - if a vhicle is that stuck it will e clear of the highway and can stay where it is until proper recovery can make it. Cars that have lost traction may be towed out of the way to clear roads on occasion but most 4x4R work is in replacing convention vehicles in adverse conditions, be they user services vehicles or that of there staff getting into work. For instance we do a lot of key staff into work "taxi runs", but this very night we have a vehicle at a hospital to support the out of hours service if they need to do home visits. Other examples are district nurse runs etc

and a good job is done too


But I do think the damaging vehicles was a good and relevant example of how it may go wrong :thumb2

You may (or may not :augie) be suprised how many individual and groups , i stress at all levels from all sectors, often need a clear steer.

The devils in the detail and that's where it goes wrong. For example have a look at the COTAG 4x4 response site. I want to make it clear I am not criticizing them or their work but if you have a look at the description on the site, which presumably was authorized at their highest management level, its a good example of misunderstanding.

Grampian Police are NOT the senior cat 1 responder. They are a, as in one of many, responder. They do not coordinate the tactical and operational. They coordinate the operational , tactical AND strategic roles.

My point is that whilst that info is clearly posted in best faith, it is misleading. What else is misunderstood as well and would need clarifying?

What happens if the incident commander instructs a volunteer crew to do something "because they can" ???

Is it within scope? do they have a mandate ? does the commander ?

Never mind wrecking cars, what happens when someone is seriously injured or worse????

 

[MontysMaverick]

and a good job is done too


But I do think the damaging vehicles was a good and relevant example of how it may go wrong :thumb2

You may (or may not :augie) be suprised how many individual and groups , i stress at all levels from all sectors, often need a clear steer.

The devils in the detail and that's where it goes wrong. For example have a look at the COTAG 4x4 response site. I want to make it clear I am not criticizing them or their work but if you have a look at the description on the site, which presumably was authorized at their highest management level, its a good example of misunderstanding.

Grampian Police are NOT the senior cat 1 responder. They are a, as in one of many, responder. They do not coordinate the tactical and operational. They coordinate the operational , tactical AND strategic roles.

My point is that whilst that info is clearly posted in best faith, it is misleading. What else is misunderstood as well and would need clarifying?

What happens if the incident commander instructs a volunteer crew to do something "because they can" ???

Is it within scope? do they have a mandate ? does the commander ?

Never mind wrecking cars, what happens when someone is seriously injured or worse????

Daved, Good point, its a bit like smoking.... as far as I know no one has ever commited a offence after having a NORMAL FAG but theres plenty whove commited offences after having a FUNNY FAG, the point is the devils in the detail,

Im all for helping people and have done so in the past and probably will in the future, BUT today you have to think before you act, whereas before you acted and then thought about "what if this and what if that"

 

[briggie]

nurses .... uniforms... black stockings.....short skirts........

 

[Terranosaurus]

BTW Dave to the best of my knowledge COTAG are defunct as they ran out of goverment grant money.

 

[MontysMaverick]

nurses .... uniforms... black stockings.....short skirts........

Calm down dear........ as said by Mr Winner :thumbs :thumbs :thumbs

 

[briggie]

actually joking apart , ive been looking at the raynet operating manual , very good , but most is like daved says common sense

 

[Deleted account DD]

BTW Dave to the best of my knowledge COTAG are defunct as they ran out of goverment grant money.

LMAO (at the irony) All the more reason the innacuracies should be removed, theyre still advertising their services.

However on a more serious note they are not exclusive in that. I googled and they came up first.

 

[Fez_uk]

I joined raynet over a year back, Great fun and helps out the community.

 

[Deleted account DD]

I joined raynet over a year back, Great fun and helps out the community.

what jobs have you been on?

 

[Fez_uk]

just events like runs, horse riding, motocross & a stage at the rally GB. I didn't do rally gb as I had to go to my nans birthday party that weekend.

It was pretty busy this autumm. One weekend we did 3 events.