Time to say goodbye?

[Flying Torquewrench]

Unfortunately, it is becoming financially uneconomical to keep the Patrol going. Due to private circumstances I have driven her very little in the last few years. I had somebody else use it for a bit so that she kept running.

I drove her a couple of weeks ago for the first time in over 2 years as I needed to pick up some mulch for the garden. During the drive I noticed that the clutch slipped badly when pulling away with a loaded trailer.

A clutch is easy to buy but the last time they replaced the clutch they already told me that the flywheel is coming to the end of its life. A new Dual Mass Flywheel can only be purchased from the Nissan dealer for £1407.50 which includes new mounting bolts. A L.O.F. Powerspec clutch is £234 as I want a decent clutch and not a Euro Car Parts special

I have been speaking to local garages to change the clutch + flywheel and the cheapest quote is £750, with a caveat that it will most likely be more as the car is 26 years old. Together this makes it at least £2400 which is difficult to justify on a 26 year old car.

The only other option would be a conversion to a Solid Flywheel which Xtreme outback sell for £909. This is a new flywheel and clutch. However, the stories about converting the flywheel are putting me off. Some love it but a lot of people hate it due to increased vibration and noise. Even this option is still £1700.
Another issue that is starting to come up is that good quality parts for the Patrol are becoming harder to get.

Unfortunately, there is not a lot out there that can replace the Patrol when it comes down to reliability. Land Rover Discovery is more a case of “when” you have an expensive repair instead of “if” you have an expensive repair. Also, too much electrics in them for my liking.

The only viable alternative would be a pickup truck but donÂ’t really want to spend £20k on one either.

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

After a bit of deliberation and a look at suitable alternatives, the Patrol will stay. The only real alternative to the Patrol is either a Jeep Grand Cherokee or a Land Rover Discovery.

Having done a search on the net it appears that spare parts for a Grand Cherokee are rather hard to come by in this country at reasonable prices. Especially as I would be looking at something around the 10 year mark, access to spares is important. I don’t think that I have to explain why a Discovery doesn’t work for me. Parts are relatively cheap and readily available but more and more electronics that need a computer to sort out. In addition, not an “if” but a “when” you get a big, expensive repair.

Other options would be a pickup truck but the insurance rates are through the roof. Even with 21 years of No Claims Discount.

Over the last few years the engine and gearbox of the Patrol have been overhauled. Now it needs a new flywheel and clutch. It means that all big components have been overhauled or replaced. Not a lot of electronics on the Patrol and easy to work on at home.

In the last few weeks I have ordered a new flywheel, clutch, crankshaft seal and a whole plethora of other parts. Once again, the body is coming off and nearly everything left on the chassis will be replaced. Most parts are now 26 years old and with good access it makes sense to replace them all. The body has a few rust spots that need repairing and will get a good rustproofing whilst I have easy access.

A little bit of engine work but nothing major. The valve clearance needs to be measured and adjusted now that the new head has been on for 3 years. The glow plugs need removing and installing, to avoid them getting corroded into place. The rest is normal service work.

My other car had its MOT a couple of weeks ago and they identified an exhaust leak. Nothing major and I could happily continue driving. Coming back from the Continent the noises began to increase. Back on UK soil it sounded like I was driving a tractor. Had a quick look underneath and one of the clamps that holds the exhaust together had moved. Now the front exhaust piece was not connected to the middle section, hence the racket. A quick fix with a hose clamp and all was quiet again.

A day later I take the Patrol out and it is also making a racket. The exhaust has corroded through just in front of the middle box. None of the aftermarket parts sellers stock a middle section for a SWB Y61. I can get an OEM one from Japan but including shipping/duty/tax it will cost close to £850!!

In the past I have changed a couple of rear boxes but they all corrode through in about 3 years. I am now considering building my own exhaust from section 2 (middle) to the back. Stainless steel exhaust parts are plentiful on the internet.
Never welded stainless steel, so that will be a learning curve. I will also talk to a couple of exhaust manufacturers to see what it would cost if they built it.

 

[solarman216]

Good on you, keep the Patrol going, re the exhaust, I made my own from turbo right back in 3 inch stainless, the whole lot did not cost anywhere near 850, as for welding I have stainless wire but not got the correct gas only argo shield light so when I tried welding I could not get acceptable results, so went for mild steel wire, no problem at all, I followed the original design with 2 bolt flanges so if any maintenance is needed it is simply unbolt and on the bench, as has happened a couple of times with the rear section for straightening after off road cappers, Rick

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

Cheers Rick. To be honest, making a new one myself seems to be the only way forward. May I ask where you got your exhaust parts from?

Slowly ordering more parts for the Patrol. So far everything has been available at reasonable prices, so that is a bonus. Of course, the flywheel is the exception to that.

Picked the flywheel up from the dealer last week and the parts manager couldn’t be more helpful. Nothing is too much to ask and he will always look up part numbers/ prices etc. when I email him. I was talking to him about how difficult it was to find somebody who was willing to replace the clutch/flywheel on the Patrol. The garages that are willing to do it, charge through the nose at £95 ex VAT per hour. He told me that the Nissan Dealer charges £160 per hour!! I didn’t ask if that was including VAT.

With that in mind, I am glad that most of the work on the Patrol I can do myself.

 

[solarman216]

I bought a 6Mtr length from my mate who specialises in SS stuff, could not transport it so cut it in half, still have the 2nd half, but shipping to you will be difficult I fear, as for the fittings I just sourced them from the net, I can try and find the company if you like, Rick

 

[solarman216]

If you do a search about 2 to 3 years ago, I did a thread of the exhaust fabrication from start to finish, Rick

 

[elty001]

I reccomend this place for your exhaust parts.
https://everyexhaustpart.com/cart/

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

Thank you Rick! I will have a search for your thread.

Thank you too Elty!

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

In the end I have decided. Ot to take the body off completely but just raise it high enough to facilitate access to the gearbox.

Put the Patrol in the garage last week to start work, only for my other car (2006 Audi A4) to stall at the traffic lights. Started up straight away but I need a reliable car to take me to work. As a result, the Patrol is now back out of the garage and the Audi is in. :banghead::banghead:

A breather hose with an oil catcher build in has perished and let air into the system after the mass air flow meter. Nowhere in the UK sells this part and the dealer wants top dollar for it.

Managed to find it abroad and it is on its way over. Hopefully get it by the end of the week. Then the Audi can come out and the Patrol can go back in.

Bought 5 litres of Rust-oleum combicolour black to give everything a good clean and paint.

The horn is sounding a bit pathetic after 26 years and that will be replaced by an airhorn.

Also bought a Durite driving led bar of 12.000 lumens that needs installing.

It is slowly becoming another expensive project but it should keep the Patrol running for another decade, hopefully much longer.

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

It’s been a while since I last visited.

The original plan was to start on the Patrol in the middle of June. Started removing the bumpers etc.

Unfortunately my other car started to play up just then. It would stall when coming to a stop. Turned out that a breather hose was perished and leaking. A new hose was ordered and installed. However, as the car is 18 years old it was time to start looking for something new. Especially as I don’t want to go down the electric or hybrid route just yet.

I bought a 2019 Volvo V60 with just over 16000 miles on the clock. Should be picking it up later this week.

As I also need an operation the Patrol will have to wait till the middle of September. I should have a couple of months time to get him fixed up.

 

[solarman216]

Nice to see you are still looking in, I just got myself a milling machine, not up and running yet but soon, also I have a cam cover gasket for your Y61 ordered the wrong one for mine, yours if you want it for postage, Rick

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

I will have a look from time to time on the forum. Time just seems to he slipping through my hands.

What milling machine did you buy?

A lathe and a milling machine are on my shopping list. At the moment I just haven’t got any space in my garage. Just put in our Discharge of Condition application and hopefully we get an answer in the next few months. I can then build the building and finally have some space to work. It has only taken 7 years!!

Rick, have you got a P/N for the cam cover gasket? I will check if it fits. Cheers.

 

[solarman216]

This is the machine I got, Spanish probably around 40 odd years old, weighs over 1 Ton, after giving it a try have found a couple of small issues, the linear lead screw nut is well worn and the head bearings are in need of a little TLC, a few other minor bits but soon to be sorted.

seem to be having problems uploading from my phone so pic tomorrow, Rick

 

[solarman216]

Had to take them on my Nikon, this is it but now with head stripped for new bearings

 

[solarman216]

And a job I finished off on it as a test, is is the head of a Tooq used in freezing climate to test depth of ice over small rivers and streams before walking on

 

[solarman216]

And as promised pic of cam cover gasket with part number, there are only 2 types for the 2.8 this one has the bolt wings as part of the gasket mine the earlier one does not, plus mine is thinner, Rick

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

Hi Rick, that mill looks fine. Are you going to recondition it or just use as is?

I will have a look at the gasket bear with me. Got a slight problem with the truck at the moment which might force my hand. Just came back from shopping with the missus and after changing gear from 4th to 3rd the gear stick is stuck solid. No amount of pressure I put on it will move the gear stick.

Fortunately, we were only about two miles from home and I drove it back in 3rd gear. The gearbox has been fully services 5 or 6 years ago and I have only done 5000 miles since.

Haven’t had time to look at it as we just got home. That is my plans for this day ruined.

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

Taken the top of gearbox and all looks fine on first inspection. However, the gear selector will not move at all.

The truck is going into the garage in the next couple of days and I will pull the gearbox. Needed to be done anyway for the flywheel. I plan on taking the gearbox apart myself to see if it is a simple problem and otherwise the gearbox will go away to be overhauled.

Not something I had planned for as it was overhauled 5/6 years ago. However with £2500 worth of spare parts laying here waiting for installation I haven’t got much a choice.

If I didn’t have the spare parts here, I would probably have scrapped it. But hey ho, just my luck. Two cars break down in the space of a month. :

 

[Flying Torquewrench]

Rick, at first glance that cam cover gasket is not suitable for my car. I have got an old one somewhere in the garage and will compare in the next few days.

 

[solarman216]

No problem, it is just sitting on my shelf, re the mill it is in first class order now I have done the head bearings, found the problem, on the top of the spindle is the draw bar and nut, under that is the threaded top part of the spindle with the top bearing adjusting nuts, now here is where the problem is, clearly there should be a threaded sleeve on those threads that should mate with the top oil/grease seal, but there is a gap through which debris found its way, so will be knocking one of those up soon, I have a bit of time as the making of a new lead screw nut has to be subbed out to a local engineering shop, as my little super7 cannot cut a 5 tpi thread, with an 8tpi screw on the lathe it just loads the gears far too much, re your Troll sounds like something has broke in there, time to take the top off I fear, on mine the clutch is on the way out so will be pulling the box out soon, Rick