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I was running my truck on 100% this summer but when we got to September i went back to diesel.

looking on the forums though, plenty seem to be using a 50/50 mix in winter and more or less problem free. my question is that just 50% veg oil, and 50% diesel.

......or 50% veg oil, and a mix of other items to make the other 50% (such as perhaps 40% dev and 10% petty)?

? :)
 
This gets into a deep and touchy subject.

Some will say petrol

Some will say diesel

I guess the correct "political" answer would be the thinnest "oil based" thinner you can find, although many will be illegal and rather expensive.
 
i usually just chuck £20 of diesel in and fill the rest with veg
 
Anti petrol - although engine has no problem people say that the injectors and pump are lubricated mechanisms that need oil based fluids, petrol does the opposite thus increasing wear at a rate nobody can prove :rolleyes:

Anti diesel - people say although diesel is the right fluid it is still too thick when mixed with veg when cold although the combustion will improve somewhat.

I just tend to do what feels right, a bit of this and a bit of that :augie
 
the petrol diesel argument is where i been hitting a wall with. everyone seems to be right with there own way. is to bad there is always 2 schools of thought.

what about 50%veg, 25% diesel, 25% petrol? everyone is happy.
 
I just tend to do what feels right, a bit of this and a bit of that


love it!!
 
the petrol diesel argument is where i been hitting a wall with. everyone seems to be right with there own way. is to bad there is always 2 schools of thought.

what about 50%veg, 25% diesel, 25% petrol? everyone is happy.

If your gonna do petrol keep the rates lower than that :thumb2

I don't feel a very small amount of petrol would harm anything although cannot prove, for example in an 80l tank I think 10 l would be sufficient.
 
this time of year (if you used it) what or how did you mix to what ratio..approx
 
this time of year (if you used it) what or how did you mix to what ratio..approx

Assuming 80l

50l veggie
20 diesel
10 petrol

Allowing some space for two stroke and redex

Saying that use your noggin, your tank will never be completely empty.

I usually fill up 2 barrels and go from there, these engines are pretty forgiving just be sensible.

Imagine petrol as a substance that will clean off the lubricant in the pump and injectors, that will stop you using too much :lol
 
i run 5% petrol a little more when its freezing i mix it out of the tank leaving it for a couple of days giving it a shake or 2 each day to make sure its well mixed. your pump can tolerate upto 10% petrol mix but no more
 
been running years and in summer i use 90 wvo with 10 derv,then as it gets colder 75 wvo then i put in a jerry can at pump 13derv and 5rug mixed then that goes into my ready to use wvo.sometimes a little 2 stroke oil as well plus acetone to make a better injector pattern and a bit of cetone booster as rug lowers the omph of the wvo.the last 2 0.01%.this works for me.
all mixed fuel is made as i need it run through my filters so no surprises when i get a cold snap. the fuel i use,well a pop bottle full is always left out in the open so i can see what it is doing and make any adjustments.
i only ever top out the tank at the time i do a long run so if i need to i can put in a derv rug mix when it goes - for a few days.
 
In answer to the OP question, in the winter, the most I run is 30litres of Veg, to filled up tank of Diesel, which is normally about 40liters, but then in the summer, the most I run is 40litres of Veg to about 30litres of Diesel. Having said that, I have not yet had a really cold winter to worry about.

been running years and in summer i use 90 wvo with 10 derv,then as it gets colder 75 wvo then i put in a jerry can at pump 13derv and 5rug mixed then that goes into my ready to use wvo.sometimes a little 2 stroke oil as well plus acetone to make a better injector pattern and a bit of cetone booster as rug lowers the omph of the wvo.the last 2 0.01%.this works for me.
all mixed fuel is made as i need it run through my filters so no surprises when i get a cold snap. the fuel i use,well a pop bottle full is always left out in the open so i can see what it is doing and make any adjustments.
i only ever top out the tank at the time i do a long run so if i need to i can put in a derv rug mix when it goes - for a few days.

Just out of interest, and not wanting to sound like I am an "Anti", as I use Veg oil myself, but I struggle and can not get my head around how making usable fuel from waste veg oil at home can be cost effective, unless you have a ready supply of free veg waste oil on tap, and even then, with the amount of work and additives it takes, I am still struggling with the idea.

As I see it, bearing in mind, it's only from what I had read on line, assuming you process your own WVO, once you have added up the electricity to clean it, filter costs, purchase and transport of raw materials, then purchased and added all these extra bits, plus having to dispose of all the waste stuff that does not convert, does it really work out any cheaper than just going to the garage, and filling up with straight DERV oil? I read somewhere that about a 5th of the raw product remains as waste product, so you only actually get 4litres out of every 5 you buy.

I was looking the other day, and someone was selling a WVO set up, and it was £1500 for the kit, plus there was a load of used Veg oil that worked out at 50p/litre before it had been cleaned. Basically it was £2k, for it all. Based on that price, and not allowing for any of the consumables, and extra chemicals, I would need to produce 10,000 litres of WVO, just for the kit to pay for it's self. That's a minimum of 4 years before I can even think of seeing a return on the kit.

I only pay 65p/litre for unused veg oil from Costco, and I can put that in without doing anything.
 
Only one answer, don't run veg oil. Amount of headaches I have had to deal with from folk running this **ap is getting boring. How many injection pumps does someone have to go through before realising the saving isn't worth while....? Fungus solidifying engine oil, engine may as well be scrap.... I just wouldn't consider destroying my car......
 
Only one answer, don't run veg oil. Amount of headaches I have had to deal with from folk running this **ap is getting boring. How many injection pumps does someone have to go through before realising the saving isn't worth while....? Fungus solidifying engine oil, engine may as well be scrap.... I just wouldn't consider destroying my car......

Well it looks as though some are getting away with it, but as an example to support your case, I have never knowingly used veg oil, bio or similar, I say knowingly, as some fuel companies can add up to 5%:doh

My truck has never had a spanner to the fuel system, or even the banjo filter since it was made... and that..can I say, (And I usually do regularly :lol) was nearly 20 years ago.:augie
So stick that in your exhaust and smoke it lol...:lol

I buy Tesco fuel, Morrisons fuel, or any other supermarket diesel, local and cheap. I recently, over the last year started to add some two stroke 1:200 in the diesel. Sometimes the odd bottle of injector cleaner...
I get the impression it runs quieter...:nenau

I wish Aldi did fuel lol...
 
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My truck has never had a spanner to the fuel system, or even the banjo filter since it was made... and that..can I say, (And I usually do regularly :lol) was nearly 20 years ago.:augie
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To be fair, age is probably a lot less important here than mileage... I believe your truck is old, but also petty low on mileage, which means everything has a lot less wear to it.

Mileage and style of driving equals tanks of fuel, more tanks of fuel equals more chance of filters getting blocked etc. A lot of people running on veg are well over the 100K on the engines already, plus most will have had multiple owners before they got the truck, and therefore have no idea on what it has already been run on during it's life before they got it, or how many times it has run out of pure diesel and had the pump run dry until the truck coasted over to the edge of the motorway.

So to put all the blame on fuel system issues, purely down to people running on Veg or Bio is a bit harsh I think.
 

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