the GREEN OVAL slate thread.....

[kbekl]

Nissan and Toyota may have been around longer but they don't last very long in comparison do they, if there so good, show me a 50yr old Nissan 4x4, not many, if there are any come to that.

your point isnt a valid one any longer

yes in the good ol days the japs used cheap steel and had a bad build quality but in the last 3 decades have proven to have upped their game where places like the UK and America fell behind in build quality

would you really drive arround all day in a 5o yr old land rover, i do know people that do but the car isnt made by land rover any more just has the badge

the jap motors were throw away unit due to the cost back in the day, but a land rover was alot of money and tended to be kept

thing is part a 1988 jap in orginal form against a 1988 landy both of which has never seen a welder (is this possible for a landy :augie) and see which one is the worst for rust and bits not working.

the disco as it sits is a good place to learn to drive a 4x4 quite forgiving and cheap to sort out apart from the welding of cause

the defender is rated as one of the best off road vehicles that money can buy but still suffers from premature failure and rust

then take a jap

shogun/paj, tend to ahve engine probs but the rest is solid and will out live a landy body wise

land cruiser probably the best road based 4x4 money can by can you say that a landy will out live one 9 times out of 10 all electronics work and is one of the most comfy 4x4's available

if you want to look at oldest and the best their is only 1 place :thumbs

 

[kbekl]

a quick search on ebay and it only gives up 3 made befor 62

http://motors.shop.ebay.co.uk/Class...biles_UK&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

hazzard a guess which one isnt working :lol

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

Nissan and Toyota may have been around longer but they don't last very long in comparison do they, if there so good, show me a 50yr old Nissan 4x4, not many, if there are any come to that.

here we go again, there are probably loads in Japan! they just never cam eover here, just as there are probably very few land rovers there! These things need to be kept inperspective. It's avery British thing not to able to see whats going on beyond our borders :thumbs

Kbkel is right early inmported JAps were built down to a price, but still rotted no worse than British built cars, rember old Jags? and the floors falling out of old mini's? Land rovers rot is largely chasis & bulkhead and therefor unseen. But it's still there as we all know!

Interesting that Kbekl should mention Paj and engine issues, their engines were not Mitsubishi units, they were a Malaysian built 'green tune' engine that circomvented emmission laws on import and export in pacific rim nations, Export cars, minus engines, then the receiving country built it's own. The motor manufacture world is very different now to that of 60 years ago!

 

[kbekl]

i missed a bit off the end of mine lol and it aint a jeep althou is the oldest but the oldest and the best is the unimog :thumbs

 

[Jocky]

Fact is Landrovers are made of chocolate and that includes the much loved Defender, the bodies might last outside the rust zone countries but they are still crap.

The British Army now want shot of them:naughty

The Japs have forgotten more about 4x4's :lol

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i missed a bit off the end of mine lol and it aint a jeep althou is the oldest but the oldest and the best is the unimog :thumbs

unimogs are pretty old, in land rover terms, nbut not as old as most jap car companies. theri begining is uncerrtain but certainly between 1945 and 1950

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/...tory-an-in-depth-look-at-the-mercedes-unimog/

however they are far from ebing the best! have you ever driven one? you can park them anywhere, road niose is apauling. They are basicaly even more like tractors than a land rover. Better off orad yes, but even worse on it!

 

[lacroupade]

unimogs are pretty old, in land rover terms, nbut not as old as most jap car companies. their begining is uncerrtain but certainly between 1945 and 1950

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/...tory-an-in-depth-look-at-the-mercedes-unimog/

however they are far from ebing the best! have you ever driven one? you can park them anywhere, road niose is apauling. They are basicaly even more like tractors than a land rover. Better off road yes, but even worse on it!

1941 to be precise .....when the Japs invaded the Philippines and found a Bantam MkII (one of the companies that competed unsuccessfully with Willys for the original Jeep contract) that they then gave to Toyota to copy.

 

[lacroupade]

Bloke near where I live in Oxon has got one of these......

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[kbekl]

unimogs are pretty old, in land rover terms, nbut not as old as most jap car companies. theri begining is uncerrtain but certainly between 1945 and 1950

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/...tory-an-in-depth-look-at-the-mercedes-unimog/

however they are far from ebing the best! have you ever driven one? you can park them anywhere, road niose is apauling. They are basicaly even more like tractors than a land rover. Better off orad yes, but even worse on it!

that cant be difficult to park lol

actually been in one they are noisy but they have a heater that works unlike the old series landies :lol

they are the best by default lol

Unimog basis Mercedes Benz helped to develop a vehicle which can not only cross rivers (up to 3.5 m depth), but also climb and have individual drive on each wheel. It took two years of planning and one year construction while the upper elements were built with NASA shuttle material for the first time used in a vehicle. In the meanwhile I did nearly 150 000 km fish collecting with it across Africa, the Balkan, Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and through the entire Central Asian region".

 

[Adz]

well you can't take the roof of a T2 and fold the screen down flat now can you.

or stand on the bonnet at the races....

makeitfit can :augie :lol

 

[Jocky]

makeitfit can :augie :lol

WTF, why would you want to do that when is -20degC outside:lol

We're getting to the best parts of a landrover, you can fold the screen down:doh great selling point:bow:naughty

Pity the bits at the sharpend are carp:naughty:surrender

 

[danielj]

I would be slow to slate a landrover after seeing what a Defender 90 can do in the snow and ice today. I was trying to pull a merc e220 out of a steep drive that was covered in sheet ice and frozen snow today and only got it a few feet when the rear of the T2 started sliding sidewards off the drive and would pull no further. A swb defender came along and gave us a hand. Pulled the merc up the drive half sideways without a slip, slide or skid. And it was a girl in her late teens who drove the defender. Very impressive. (Fair enough the defender had bfg at's on and I only had standard road tyres but I don't think I would have got the merc up the ice even with the bfg's on.)

 

[Adz]

I would be slow to slate a landrover after seeing what a Defender 90 can do in the snow and ice today. I was trying to pull a merc e220 out of a steep drive that was covered in sheet ice and frozen snow today and only got it a few feet when the rear of the T2 started sliding sidewards off the drive and would pull no further. A swb defender came along and gave us a hand. Pulled the merc up the drive half sideways without a slip, slide or skid. And it was a girl in her late teens who drove the defender. Very impressive. (Fair enough the defender had bfg at's on and I only had standard road tyres but I don't think I would have got the merc up the ice even with the bfg's on.)

If you had the right tyres on YOU WOULD OF.! I pulled a 40 tonne artic :thumbs

 

[Jocky]

I would be slow to slate a landrover after seeing what a Defender 90 can do in the snow and ice today. I was trying to pull a merc e220 out of a steep drive that was covered in sheet ice and frozen snow today and only got it a few feet when the rear of the T2 started sliding sidewards off the drive and would pull no further. A swb defender came along and gave us a hand. Pulled the merc up the drive half sideways without a slip, slide or skid. And it was a girl in her late teens who drove the defender. Very impressive. (Fair enough the defender had bfg at's on and I only had standard road tyres but I don't think I would have got the merc up the ice even with the bfg's on.)

I would still be fast to slate it:lol if you've got the wrong tyres doesn't matter if you got 12 wheel drive, don't be embarressed, I've owned T2's and they can do anything a defender can and more and I've even pulled a coupe that were stuck to safety:lol

I remember a defender driver saying my T2 couldn't go through a water obsticle, I went through it no problem even broke the ice for him, I then said its your turn and he struggled through, I nearly p****d myself laughing when he opened his door and the water came out before him and he was whinging about his feet being wet:jesterbg

 

[danielj]

Ok. Point taken about the tyres. I'm not downplaying the T2 performance though. One glitch with the T2 and my bullbars would be covered in very expensive merc paint and plastic bumper.

 

[lacroupade]

Ok. Point taken about the tyres. I'm not downplaying the T2 performance though. One glitch with the T2 and my bullbars would be covered in very expensive merc paint and plastic bumper.

One good reason why I rarely offer to help unless there are kids stuck or something....if someone has been stupid enough to take a 2WD car out in appalling weather then hey....I've spent enough time sat behind them driving along at 5mph this last week or so!!!!!!:doh:doh:doh