terrano 2 v pathfinder v xtrail

[richbids]

help needed !!! i need to buy a new truck and the only thing i know for sure is it has to be another nissan . i have a budget of 7 grand.but whats best .i have had a 55 plate 2.7 terrano in the past .i tow a caravan and go off road from time to time.cheers rich

 

[Banshee]

55 plate 2.7 terrano

With that budget get yourself 2 of those and you've got one as a spare :thumb2:

 

[J66P]

personally I would say Pathfinder

I have a mate with one and to be honest I think its one of the best all round vehicles I have come across, it does everything...or just about

7 grand may be pushing the budget a bit but you are pretty damn close

 

[davenclaire]

my mate has bought a pathfinder in black it is awsome but £500 plus a year road tax =ouchy

 

[richbids]

ps

ps manual or auto

 

[bry]

help needed !!! i need to buy a new truck and the only thing i know for sure is it has to be another nissan . i have a budget of 7 grand.but whats best .i have had a 55 plate 2.7 terrano in the past .i tow a caravan and go off road from time to time.cheers rich

Some info on the Pathy.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/2013-nissan-pathfinder-ar130676.html

 

[AlexD333]

I have just been through this exact dilema.

What made my mind up was the mechanics behind them.

Pathfinder is chain and dms if i remember right, both WILL need replacing, the budget you have will mean a highish mileage and around the 100k mark tends to be the "milestone replacement market"

The terrano is gear driven with a bog standard bolt on flywheel..

Yeah the terrano doesent have some of the cool gadgets but I'm very happy with my choice. Ring a nissan dealer and ask how much to do cam chain and how much to do dms. You'll be shocked!!

Terrano all the way, x trail (personally) is like a Volvo xc90 (gets stuck in puddles)

 

[davenclaire]

its a manual and very nice but i did tell him to get the terra time will tell

 

[richbids]

help

a part from the t2 ;which is getting a little old. last ones made 2006 8 year ago what is the best 4x4 to buy ? because i am very lost as to what to get .i want to stay with nissan after great service from my last t2 but it looks like i need to look at other makes !!!!.

 

[Barrbeast]

I have just been through this exact dilema.

What made my mind up was the mechanics behind them.

Pathfinder is chain and dms if i remember right, both WILL need replacing, the budget you have will mean a highish mileage and around the 100k mark tends to be the "milestone replacement market"

The terrano is gear driven with a bog standard bolt on flywheel..

Yeah the terrano doesent have some of the cool gadgets but I'm very happy with my choice. Ring a nissan dealer and ask how much to do cam chain and how much to do dms. You'll be shocked!!

Reckon you'll struggle to find many recent 4x4s (ie. past 10/15 years) with timing gears apart from the 2.7 Terrano :nenau (stand to be corrected though)

Timing chains tend to be the most common on the diesels in 4x4s these days and while I would avoid a belt like the plague (had one go on me before, knew enough that I should have checked it but didn't :doh) chains are pretty reliable and you should get a decent mileage out of them, particularly on a well serviced engine - my 2.8 Shogun was on 160k when I sold it and as far as I know still on it's original chain. Also, chains (shouldn't) just go without any warning like a belt, they should start rattling for a while before anything happens and provided you listen out for it (I believe it's a distinct chuff chuff noise, a bit like a train) your fine.

Far as replacement goes I wouldn't go near a stealer for that - when it gets to replacement time for the chain on the 3.0 Trol I'll be buying the parts and dropping it into my local independent for fitting.

The DMF is a pain in the arse, but you either accept it as a fact you have to live with (and see if there's a solid one available come changing - that's what I'll be doing) or you can get an auto (no DMF) :thumbs


Personally I would look for a Pathfinder, see if you can stretch the budget a little so you can get the mileage down but even then I'm not sure if you'll get one much younger than your Terrano. If you're looking at other makes you could try a Shogun? Landcruisers seem to attract a premium.

 

[rustic]

Dual Mass Flywheels, seem to be designed to fail.
Some can last 100 k miles, others fail in half that.

A lot of people replace the DMF at the same time as the clutch, and fit a single mass, or standard flywheel, and the clutch plate will be the type with the springs in, ie good old fashioned proven technology.

So why oh why have they introduced the DMF to so many cars?
Is it supposed to give a smoother gear change?
Put less stress on a gearbox already designed down to a price...:doh
Have we seen the end of vehicles achieving 300k miles, like the Nissan 2.7 td's can?
Is this designed in obsolescence? :doh

The labour costs involved in replacing timing belts and DMF's in say a car 8 years old with say 100 k miles on the clock must be prohibitive, as the cost can be greater than the car is worth.

What car would I replace my 18 1/2 year old Mav with?
I don't know yet, think I'll keep it another year, and wait and see.:lol
I'm not impressed with the latest offerings from Nissan, too much renault involvement.

Modern engines are lighter, warm up quicker, have a high power to weight ratio, more and more economical with less emissions, must be really cheap to manufacture, as mostly done my machine, BUT on going repair costs can be high. Having said that, even a slight bump at 4 mph will now write a car off, I doubt many new cars will get to be 18 1/2 years old like my Mav.:doh

Where would I go from here?:nenau


Rustic

 

[walshie]

With that sort of budget I would be looking for a post 2004 patrol to be honest. Facelift models look the business.

 

[Barrbeast]

With that sort of budget I would be looking for a post 2004 patrol to be honest. Facelift models look the business.

Funnily enough I was also thinking a Trol might be a good option. For the budget though you might struggle to get a Trol much younger than 2008 and then I reckon it could be high mileage. Better to go with a late post facelift (04/54) like mine or an early facelift (05/55 maybe 06) with lower mileage. At that age of vehicle you would also avoid the high road tax (applies post March 2006 I think).

My '54 plate was slightly over richbids' budget with 69k on the clock, one previous owner, new MOT and 6 month warranty. That was from an independent dealer though so a private sale could be a better deal.

Go with an auto and you would also avoid the DMF issue although your tow rating is then reduced to 2.5t (manual is rated at 3.5t) - the auto will still pull a house down it's just not rated for it :thumbs. Your mpg will also be slightly worse. My best with the Trol before I put the winch bumper on her was around 26 mpg (my best "post bumper" has been 24/25).

 

[walshie]

Is that 26mpg in general use or on a run?

 

[Barrbeast]

I calculate mpg by the tank so that will have been a mix of use in town + at the farm + some driving on the motorway/dual carriageway. That was 510 miles for 89.2 litres of diesel (I have a spreadsheet :augie )

Meant to say my Trol's a manual.

 

[Bedhead1157]

Dual Mass Flywheels, seem to be designed to fail.
Some can last 100 k miles, others fail in half that.

A lot of people replace the DMF at the same time as the clutch, and fit a single mass, or standard flywheel, and the clutch plate will be the type with the springs in, ie good old fashioned proven technology.

So why oh why have they introduced the DMF to so many cars?
Is it supposed to give a smoother gear change?
Put less stress on a gearbox already designed down to a price...:doh
Have we seen the end of vehicles achieving 300k miles, like the Nissan 2.7 td's can?
Is this designed in obsolescence? :doh

The labour costs involved in replacing timing belts and DMF's in say a car 8 years old with say 100 k miles on the clock must be prohibitive, as the cost can be greater than the car is worth.

What car would I replace my 18 1/2 year old Mav with?
I don't know yet, think I'll keep it another year, and wait and see.:lol
I'm not impressed with the latest offerings from Nissan, too much renault involvement.

Modern engines are lighter, warm up quicker, have a high power to weight ratio, more and more economical with less emissions, must be really cheap to manufacture, as mostly done my machine, BUT on going repair costs can be high. Having said that, even a slight bump at 4 mph will now write a car off, I doubt many new cars will get to be 18 1/2 years old like my Mav.:doh

Where would I go from here?:nenau


Rustic

The "official" reason for the DMF, is that it cuts down on torsional vibration (whatever the hell that is) my own personal take on it is that it's a money making scheme, I sell them and certain cars go through them at a hell of a rate, CDTI Vauxhalls jump to mind. Conversions don't always make such a good job, I see Mondeo TDCi ones that have ripped the new sprung plate to pieces, usually the gearbox is being rebuilt by then. Cars are designed to die now after about 7 years, basically take one out on the drip for 3 years, give it back and repeat until you die.

Back to the topic, my boss bought a Pathfinder, all singing, all dancing, lovely thing to drive, but feels more like big car than a 4x4, he reckons it's more economical than the T2 but all that technology scares the pants off me. We have a solid flywheel in work for one, it uses the same clutch, the Pathfinder has a sprung plate as standard as well as the DMF. The solid looks very like the Terrano one.

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

could look to kia n hyundai

mudlifecrisis swears by his hyundai terracan, think prev guise shogun
though isnt a 7 seater despite big boot.

think a troll after point when 3.0 went into terrano, had bad experience
with first phase of 3.0 into troll on x reg, but miss trol if no engine.

maybe a toyota land cruiser, either colorado or amazon.

 

[richbids]

thanks

just want to say a big thank you for all your comments guys . it seems to me that they all have there good bits and bad bits . and that the best thing is to buy what you fancy and worry about repairing when its broken . lol .thanks again !!!! cheers rich

 

[AlexD333]

Just have a good read of "insert car make" dual mass flywheel replacement.

And "insert car make" cam chain replacement.

Don't let it be the be all and end all if a purchase but they can outweigh the cost of a 3k car easily!