svo

[patbhoy]

Been searching the net and have read plenty regarding the use of svo, it appears that any diesel will run without any problems with a 50-50 or 60-40 mix.
The only problems seems to be during cold spells of weather.
The tax/duty of 47p per litre i have to say makes the use of svo not anymore economical than buying diesel.
A lot of the threads i read the owners using svo claimed that their vehicles ran smoother and quieter.

 

[Deleted account DD]

Been searching the net and have read plenty regarding the use of svo, it appears that any diesel will run without any problems with a 50-50 or 60-40 mix.

NOOOOOOO.......................there are many engines you will kill putting svo into unmodified my merc engine being one of them. I need different injectors, wider bore fuel hose and a heat exchanger for single tank operation Dont know about your fleet.

The tax/duty of 47p per litre i have to say makes the use of svo not anymore economical than buying diesel.

There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.

A lot of the threads i read the owners using svo claimed that their vehicles ran smoother and quieter.

Yes , I found that too. However on some vehicles folk report a slight downturn in power. I didnt notice that , possibly because the PSI went on around the same time as I was starting to get more scientific about it lol

You are obviously doing your research but you seem to have fallen victim to keyboard experts :thumb2 Be careful mate.

Briggie and others posted a helpful link to a well established veggie site and thats a good example. Straight away when you go on there the front page contains so many examples of wrong info. Theres a lot of bollocks out there drowning the good info. Seems to be a lot of opinion thats interpreted as fact.

 

[lacroupade]

Hmmmm.................diesel not required

In all seriousness theres no record of diesel making it run better other than thinning it down for cold start . If you want a bit of a clean out stick some millers or similar in. They contain the same detergents as the companies lob into bulk and work out cheaper per fill than adding diesel :thumb2

Borrox :lol:lol:lol

You are correct, technically speaking, that you don't 'need' diesel mixed, BUT my practical experience is that, if you want to avoid lumpy startup and possibly lumpy cold running when the weather starts to turn chillier, AND not have to fanny about with pre-heaters, then 60/40 SVO/diesel is a good optimum mix. Am I right or am I right...? :thumbs

 

[patbhoy]

"Posted by Daved"There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.


I think you'll find that this is the case for bio-diesel, have a look on the customs and excise website and you'll ind that duty is due to be paid on svo.

See below, extracted from the C&E website

2.5 Is any relief allowed on oil used as a fuel?
No relief is allowed on oil used as a heating fuel or motor fuel (including use as an extender or additive to motor fuel). However, light oil to be used as furnace fuel in a vaporised or atomised form may be obtained at a rebated rate. Please see Notice 184B Rebate of duty on light oil used as furnace fuel for further details.

 

[lacroupade]

"Posted by Daved"There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.


I think you'll find that this is the case for bio-diesel, have a look on the customs and excise website and you'll ind that duty is due to be paid on svo.

See below, extracted from the C&E website

2.5 Is any relief allowed on oil used as a fuel?
No relief is allowed on oil used as a heating fuel or motor fuel (including use as an extender or additive to motor fuel). However, light oil to be used as furnace fuel in a vaporised or atomised form may be obtained at a rebated rate. Please see Notice 184B Rebate of duty on light oil used as furnace fuel for further details.

Pat - nonononono....there is no duty on SVO either so long as you keep below the 2500 litres per annum. I'll dig out the relevant bits but you can google it widely.....the measure was brought in about three years ago....not sure what this wording is above but its talking about tax relief not non-taxable, they are different things.

Theres a whole section on the revenue website about it and this isn't it.

 

[lacroupade]

Pat Google "SVO 2500 allowance".

It will throw up a multitude of sources confirming what you need to know.

Technically the 2500 litres is not an allowance per se, its a threshold like stamp duty, i.e. if you pass the 2500 mark you are liable for tax on the lot, not just the excess.

A relief (discussed in your text above) is something that reduces a tax burden, e.g. you pay tax on rental from a second home - there are no allowances - but you can claim relief for certain expenses to reduce the bill. Thats a very different thing to an allowance or threshold.

Trust me its a fact. 2500 litres or less a year and you are totally in the clear.:thumb2

 

[patbhoy]

Pat Google "SVO 2500 allowance".

It will throw up a multitude of sources confirming what you need to know.

Technically the 2500 litres is not an allowance per se, its a threshold like stamp duty, i.e. if you pass the 2500 mark you are liable for tax on the lot, not just the excess.

A relief (discussed in your text above) is something that reduces a tax burden, e.g. you pay tax on rental from a second home - there are no allowances - but you can claim relief for certain expenses to reduce the bill. Thats a very different thing to an allowance or threshold.

Trust me its a fact. 2500 litres or less a year and you are totally in the clear.:thumb2

From what i am reading the 2500 allowance is for bio-diesel only wether is made from svo or wvo.
If your using svo simply mixed with diesel its taxable.

 

[lacroupade]

From what i am reading the 2500 allowance is for bio-diesel only wether is made from svo or wvo.
If your using svo simply mixed with diesel its taxable.

Home-made and small volume biodiesel is invariably made from WVO as SVO is far too expensive.

Let me go and find the words to set your mind at rest Pat, cos you're completely wrong.

 

[lacroupade]

OK Pat, if you'd read down a bit further you'd have found this:

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4.2.1 Exempt producers/users

If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:

* any biofuel, or
* any other fuel substitute or additive

within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.

Production includes the manufacture or processing of road fuel, and the setting aside of any product that has not been charged with duty, with the intention of using it as road fuel.

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SVO is defined elsewhere as a fuel substitute. A 'producer' is defined as someone who either MAKES or USES the product, in this case SVO.

Are you convinced now Pat?????

 

[Deleted account DD]

"Posted by Daved"There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used. When I had my TII i sat and did the maths and reckoned mixed driving or towing that gave me 13 to 14000 miles a year.


I think you'll find that this is the case for bio-diesel, have a look on the customs and excise website and you'll ind that duty is due to be paid on svo.

See below, extracted from the C&E website

2.5 Is any relief allowed on oil used as a fuel?
No relief is allowed on oil used as a heating fuel or motor fuel (including use as an extender or additive to motor fuel). However, light oil to be used as furnace fuel in a vaporised or atomised form may be obtained at a rebated rate. Please see Notice 184B Rebate of duty on light oil used as furnace fuel for further details.

No idea on the tax relief regarding bio diesel.

however you can use up to 2500 litres of SVO (thats not bio diesel) as a road fuel without attracting taxation. There is no stipulation on what you can and cant mix it wih for taxation purposes so long as the stuff your mixing it with is duty paid as appropriate.

Trust me, thats straight from the horses mouth , ie those who enforce it at the roadside and carry out investigations

 

[Deleted account DD]

You are correct, technically speaking, that you don't 'need' diesel mixed,

Thats magnamous of you , now youve chucked the caveats in

BUT my practical experience is that, if you want to avoid lumpy startup and possibly lumpy cold running when the weather starts to turn chillier, AND not have to fanny about with pre-heaters, then 60/40 SVO/diesel is a good optimum mix. Am I right or am I right...? :thumbs

nope, well on a limited basis maybe :lol, proper engineering is better and cheaper Im surprised at you dropping your standards

One serious point I discovered when I got caught out................. it doesnt really matter what diesel mix you do or dont have if the weather turns cold. If you dont have heaters etc you will still get the "lumps" of oil coming through which will give rough running because they make it to the filter and pump. Been there on that one. Tipped SVO in and the cold snap hit that was on a mix and the reason i eventually did the job properly (for a single tank installation).

If the jobs done properly diesel becomes superfluous

I'll grant you TIIs are the exception to mst of the svo rules as they can run from stoney cold on it (i reckon theyd run on pig piss) a lot of vehicles cannot run on 100% until warmed and twin tanks are recommended.

 

[Deleted account DD]

A serious reply as opposed tongue in cheek as above,

Running your car on svo is not a science. Its a bit like using MS windows shortcuts, theres loads of ways to do it and whichever you want or like is the best.....simples.

My criteria was a bit of experimenting and be diesel free. I appreciate others want to mix and match, also experimenting :thumb2


Just thought Id clarify that

 

[lacroupade]

A serious reply as opposed tongue in cheek as above,

Running your car on svo is not a science. Its a bit like using MS windows shortcuts, theres loads of ways to do it and whichever you want or like is the best.....simples.

My criteria was a bit of experimenting and be diesel free. I appreciate others want to mix and match, also experimenting :thumb2


Just thought Id clarify that

Your climbdown is accepted. :lol:lol:lol:lol

Seriously though, my response was supposed to be "SVO for beginners"....but you knew that

 

[Deleted account DD]

Your climbdown is accepted. :lol:lol:lol:lol

Youve been on the hooch again havent you, imagining things, pink elephants will be coming for you next :augie:lol

Seriously though, my response was supposed to be "SVO for beginners"....but you knew that

Fair point, I actually didnt rate you as a beginner :bow

But hey, we all get it wrong :naughty

 

[iceman]

"Posted by Daved"There is no tax whatesover to pay if you use below 2500 litres. Its also up to you to show how much you have, or havent, used.

this confuses me slightly, what says when i buy more SVO and have new receipts in the jeep that i then chuck the older ones out and say i just started as i cannot see how they can prove otherwise is there.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

4.2.1 Exempt producers/users

If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:

Production includes the manufacture or processing of road fuel, and the setting aside of any product that has not been charged with duty, with the intention of using it as road fuel.
QUOTE]

any product not charged wirh duty - does this include red diesel then? maybe if i process it by adding blue dye? :lol :thumbs

 

[Deleted account DD]

this confuses me slightly, what says when i buy more SVO and have new receipts in the jeep that i then chuck the older ones out and say i just started as i cannot see how they can prove otherwise is there.

youre there mate :thumb2 I couldnt get my head round it at first and eventually laughed it off. HMRC dont dip for vo anyway and even if some turns up on a stop check its more likely (in my experience) to lead to a chat about how its works

Its a loophole Im sure will be closed at some point but at the moment theres no resources to police it.

Its also a very difficult loophole to close :doh

 

[lacroupade]

Youve been on the hooch again havent you, imagining things, pink elephants will be coming for you next :augie:lol



Fair point, I actually didnt rate you as a beginner :bow

But hey, we all get it wrong :naughty

cheeky ba$tard! and as if that weren't enough, its the wifes birthday today, so just been stung for an expensive dinner and a bottle of fizz.....and too tired/bloated for nuptials...and so to bed....:naughty:lol:lol:lol

 

[makeitfit]

bottle of fizz.....and too tired/bloated for nuptials...and so to bed....:naughty:lol:lol:lol

:jesterbg

Just give her the bottle when you've emptied it and put your feet up :naughty

 

[lacroupade]

:jesterbg

Just give her the bottle when you've emptied it and put your feet up :naughty

ya baaaaaad boy! LMAO!