Roll cage

[makeitfit]

I need to fit a basic roll cage for 4x4 comps. Do you know if it needs to be fitted to the actual chassis or can I fit to internal body work?

 

[gardenercars]

Would suggest that you find some good strong outriggers from the ladder frame chassis wouldnt trust the internal bodywork.
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Terrano11 2.7 TDI 2005

 

[makeitfit]

Makes sense to me too, but wondered how to seal the holes I'd have to cut!

 

[Lee3197]

The way it works, as far as I understand it, the cage is welded to plates each side of the body work, and these plates are then bolted together through the body work.

Lee. :thumbs

 

[Lee3197]

Here's another way on the same lines. The above way also provides a good body mount.

Lee. :thumbs

 

[makeitfit]

Nice one Lee:thumb2
I'm on it now cheers

 

[Lee3197]

Keep us informed on how you're getting on, and don't forget the pics !

Lee. :thumbs

 

[Terranosaurus]

I need to fit a basic roll cage for 4x4 comps. Do you know if it needs to be fitted to the actual chassis or can I fit to internal body work?

Depends what rules you work to. You need to decide if you want to do MSA events, AWDC events or both.

MSA allow the use of a cage that is attached only to the body shell providing that the shellis a proper unitary construction steel one like the Terrano. On a Defender for instance you can't do this. I don't know about AWDC I'm afraid but have a copy of the MSA "Blue Book" and one on CD, should be able to copy you the releant bits if you go the MSA route.

Having worked at a Safety Devices roll cage installers for a while and having seen various vehicles (mainly rally cars) that have had major accidents, I would buy a cage ready made or at least a kit ready cut to size etc. As it happens I was looking last night and Safety Devices list a bolt in cage for the Terrano. also talk to Custom Cages, an also Protection and Performance.

They're not cheap but you should only have to buy one once. You see alsorts of so called rollcages on 4x4s, most of them seem to be steering wheel substitutes (also known as external rollcage) without any attempt at triangulation, these would flatten in the event of a roll, possibly ooing more harm than good as they would make it harder to get you out.

People make em out of allsorts, scaffold, blue band etc but if you o want to make one yourself use the proper material CDS (cold drawn seamless) or T45/T50 you'll end up with a stronger and lighter cage in the process - don't dismiss weight if you're wanting to compete, one of the reasons SJ's are so good is their low weight, with a T2 you're starting with something pretty lightweight too, why ruin that.

Another thing to note if making it yourself is the difference between tube an pipe especially when buying/hiring/borrowing a bender. Tube is sold by exernal diameter and is what you want, pipe is for carrying fluids (unsurprisingly ) and is sold by internal diameter/bore. To bend tube you need a tube bender, ti ben pipe you need a pipe bender. The dies from the other are not compatible as they are the wrong size and will flatten the tube too much in the bends.

 

[makeitfit]

Cheers for that I didn't fancy making one myself, but met a guy last weekend who makes rally cages locally. However if there is one listed I'll check that out first. As you know I've met the ground before and dont want one of those naff wrap round shopping trolley jobs
Do they do a discount to the trade:slyie do fancy asking for two:augie
On the weight issue I've stripped out the back and I'm looking for a bargain seat!
Cant ever afford new on this front so do you know of any good ones to search the bay for?
Cheers

 

[makeitfit]

Just checked I need chassis mount cage at 4 points.

 

[Terranosaurus]

Just checked I need chassis mount cage at 4 points.

Under what rules?

All cages are 6 point minimum, anything less is usually just referred to as a roll over hoop.

Buy the best you can - you don't get a second chance.

 

[makeitfit]

Sorry not sure what rules they are. Just spoke to the guy who marshals some of the events, he said the club is RAC affiliated :nenau So maybe that's all they need but I agree will get details and check with you again. Ta:thumbs

 

[Terranosaurus]

For RAC read MSA - used to be RACMSA but went to just MSA about 10 years ago.

 

[zippy656]

its a lot of work if you do it wrong