Rear arb

[Dartmoor_Lad]

Is having no rear ARB an MOT failure?

 

[bry]

Sorry no but if you want to trailer a T2 you will need to spend a grand minimum to be safe, Rick

So i assume that's not whats called a.A frame trailer?

 

[solarman216]

So i assume that's not whats called a.A frame trailer?

not sure what you mean by that, but a T2 is heavy and many car trailers cannot cope with more than a tonne, Rick

 

[puddle hoppers inc.]

without wanting to sound like a complete bore, if something totally out your hands went wrong in your truck and someone gets hurt, the police inspect your arb less truck you would be possibly going down for a while. shit happens, just fasten it back up for road use. boring i know...

 

[MudLifeCrisis]

Im sure some on here declare no arb on their insurance. Any passed mot without it?


Brian

 

[briggie]

I drive a Isuzu bighorn ffs ... its like driving with no arb's front or rear anyway :lol:lol , sponge shockers and springs , daren't go round corners too fast or I get seasick :lol:lol:lol

 

[puddle hoppers inc.]

not sure about the mot pass tbh, but telling insurance wouldnt make it roadworthy anyway. in a proper vosa/police inspection if ,say, you were unlucky enough to have a fatal collision regardless of who is to blame for it. fine tooth comb time. may be worth investigating if anyone has any traffic police friends ?
like i said, people can do what they want with their vehicles, i do, but it's worth thinking about . the style police is one thing, plods another lol.

 

[stinka]

It's not an mot failure

And if it is, you are going to the wrong place

 

[geoffdown]

It's not an mot failure

And if it is, you are going to the wrong place

With mot if its fitted from factory then it needs to be fitted and working but a big but if mot inspector doesn't no the terrano very well then they will pass it if its not there as they can't no every vehicle on the road but if he has a terrano and urs got no arb then he has the rigjt to fail ur car thats how I c the mot I might be wrong.

 

[puddle hoppers inc.]

an mot is only valid on the day it was issued anyway and is no way a literal "get out of jail" card.

 

[briggie]

mot testers manual below ....... have a look :thumb2

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/c...nualsandguides/mottestingmanualsandguides.htm

 

[briggie]

section 2.4 clearly states that if an arb is fitted as standard , and is missing at the time of the test , that it is a reason for failure .

 

[Barrbeast]

There is an exception if the vehicle has been modified with aftermarket kits etc which do not then allow or permit the fitting of an ARB eg. suspension lifts.

Can't remember where I saw the actual detail but a quick google picked up this from a LR Forum, it's VOSA's official line:-

Missing anti roll bar / modifications

Whereas the Inspection Manual does have an RfR for anti roll bar missing where fitted as standard we would expect modifications such as the fitting of aftermarket kits or specialist modifications which do not then require or permit the fitting of an anti roll bar. In these instances the tester should pass and advise so that the presenter is aware of the modification and there is a clear record of the NTs decision.

 

[Nav230]

It's very difficult to say if in the event of an accident a vehicle inspection discovering a missing arb would lead to the CPS prosecuting you. It would be taken into account along with other aspects of the accident and the likelyhood is that a charge would be brought mainly due to excess speed, which is, after all a major cause in accidents and would be the main thing to affect handling on road without an arb.

The severity of the accident effects the investigation. If there are serious injuries/fatalities the vehicle is very carefully inspected and the actions/inactions of the driver/owner taken into consideration.

Much of the UK law is in black and white, but a great deal of it also rests on what is considered reasonable by the average person.

Tbh, removing an arb would not likely be considered something that would seriously affect the handling of a vehicle though it might be considered a contributory factor. A vehicle accident investigator will know that it could affect handling in some circumstances and those would mainly be during avoidance manoeuvres. From my experience the main considerations in serious accident investigations from a vehicle perspective are tyres and brakes.

I'm sure that many of you remember the Landy accident where the guy crashed into the river and his kids were killed. He had knackered brakes, mismatched front calipers and the rear suspension let go when he swerved off the road going too fast because the speedo was out of calibration with bigger tyres. It might not have happened if he had sorted his brakes and had been driving according to his vehicle modifications and the conditions.

I very much doubt that a missing rear arb on it's own if going to get you sent down if you have an accident.

 

[puddle hoppers inc.]

fair point well made i believe.

 

[solarman216]

Agreed but when it comes to insurance companies it is a different ball game they can refute a claim for any mod even if you bought the vehicle with the mod and assumed it standard just cos you did not know is not good enough, Rick

 

[Nav230]

Agreed but when it comes to insurance companies it is a different ball game they can refute a claim for any mod even if you bought the vehicle with the mod and assumed it standard just cos you did not know is not good enough, Rick

I totally agree. All my mods are declared to insurance company, I even sent them a copy of them by recorded delivery and phoned them to confirm they'd got it. Not that I don't trust them you understand

 

[makeitfit]

I totally agree. All my mods are declared to insurance company, I even sent them a copy of them by recorded delivery and phoned them to confirm they'd got it. Not that I don't trust them you understand

All my mods declared too but the problem I had was getting Adrian Flux to give ME written proof of my trucks modifications They agreed them on the phone sure but the certificate only groups generic mods. Not good enough for me as I get stopped so often, eventually got what I needed and kept the copy in the truck for roadside conversation :doh