New car thoughts

[macabethiel]

Auto V Manual

that's a very good question ray ..... I wonder , its true that the autobox doesn't seem to have as many problems as the manual box , but is that because there aren't as many uk models with the autobox ? .... I wonder .....good post ray :thumb2

Hi Briggie,

I have always put it down to it being easier to abuse a manual than an automatic box save when towing and most autos have a warning light for overheated fluid - certainly my Chrysler has such a function and so did the r3mR.

 

[jims-terrano]

I once drove a Mistral auto and indeed it was a lovely smooth easy drive. That big clutch pedal made me bang my head on the screen though:lol:lol:lol

 

[Peasgood1]

70mph on the speedo is 2750rpm, on the sat nav it is 3k rpm.

Some interesting stuff in the replies, thanks for your help. :thumb2
Didn't even think about towing weights being different

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

tow weights unlikely to be a problem for almost any uk caravan

but coul limit say a horsebox with 2 horses or towing a mni digger etc.

 

[macabethiel]

Horse Box

The last post reminded me of the days when I was in the car trade in Burton-on-Trent.
My boss had a Ford Gran Torino Auto about a 6.8 Litre engine in gleaming white with the orange to red stripe down the side like Starsky & Hutch.

He was an avid Trotter & Pacer man and he used to go to the track near Hednesford with his Twin Rice Horse box on the back loaded with two winning horses.

After the racing he would ring me up to drive over and bring his car and horse box back and he would return the next day if he got lucky ladywise.

You could pull 90 mph with the Horse Box loaded and it did not even feel as though you had a trailer on the back !
Top speed was only around 105 mph as I recall but boy did it get up speed in style and comfort. Fuel consumption ? Under 10 mpg when towing. Around 15 mpg the rest of the time.

 

[Peasgood1]

Still looking around.
Liking the look of a Mitsi Shogun Sport. Is there any reason not to consider a manual 2.5 one of these? Or do I need to wash my mouth out with soap right now?

 

[AD Ent]

A sport is a warrior l200 with rear seats and boot. I'd rather have a proper shoggie. Thanks for the speedo rpm. I will check mine again now.

 

[Peasgood1]

A sport is a warrior l200 with rear seats and boot. I'd rather have a proper shoggie. Thanks for the speedo rpm. I will check mine again now.

Odometer over reads by 4% too, compared to sat nav.

 

[micktheshed]

I would be interested to know. Also do the 3.0 suffer from the same innacurate sppedo?

Agree with raf3262.
My speedo reads 36mph @true 30 (not even legal it's twice the error allowed!) but gets progressively better as speed rises...I think it might even be accurate if I could get to 120 LOL. The same can be said of the milometer. This is on the original 1/2 worn tyres.
Quite a common prob. on 4x4's of many makes, my Frontera was just as bad.

 

[micktheshed]

3.0tdi auto max is 2000kg v manual 3000kg, something to consider if tug heavier
trailers.

I'm told this restriction is more to do with traction (auto can put more power down at low road speeds than manual) & possible overheating when towing. From a standing start they are capable of pulling very high loads, especialy using the reduction box. I've pulled a 3 1/2T motor home for several hundred yards over muddy grass with no prob. at all.

 

[AD Ent]

whats a reduction box

 

[Peasgood1]

4L on a manual.

 

[Barrbeast]

Still looking around.
Liking the look of a Mitsi Shogun Sport. Is there any reason not to consider a manual 2.5 one of these? Or do I need to wash my mouth out with soap right now?

I'd avoid tbh, had a look at one or two before I bought the Patrol (was upgrading from an M reg mk2 Shogun). Not bad trucks as far as I could tell but being based on a pick-up the seating position isn't the best and there's bugger all leg/foot room - space around the pedals is so non-existent that I would have been looking at constantly riding the clutch or contorting my foot so it sat under the clutch or brake pedal :doh

 

[cupcake]

Still looking around.
Liking the look of a Mitsi Shogun Sport. Is there any reason not to consider a manual 2.5 one of these? Or do I need to wash my mouth out with soap right now?

I looked at these before the T2, having had a 2.8 Pajero that I loved, plus I always liked the shape of the Shogun Sport. However, I've never been a fan of that Mitsi 2.5 engine personally and I read that it's very sluggish and always drives like it needs another gear. People often chip them just to make the power an acceptable level. The cabin is cramped, harsh ride, poor turning circle, no alarm or remote fob, little safety equipment and distinct lack of refinement since it's based on a commercial vehicle. No AC on the Classic trim level either. If they did a 3.0 or 3.2 diesel then I would've been seriously tempted.

All that aside, it's pretty reliable, which is a good thing given that the like-for-like repair bill is considerably higher than the likes of a BMW X5, Merc ML etc. (according to Warranty Direct's own research). I read that somewhere. Probably not so bad if you do any work yourself I guess.

Great towing capability at 2.5t and great offroad. Just depends on what you like personally. I'm very happy with my 3.0 T2 Sport

 

[Peasgood1]

Still looking.
I have actually sold my car now so I have some money (providing they turn up on Sunday)
I think I have pretty much decided on a Terrano 3 litre. Still can't get my head round the cream leather seats and cream trim. That is a bit not me really, how do you guys manage to keep it clean or don't you bother?
I would think the first time I get in with oily trousers it will be ruined.

 

[Sweety]

Still looking.
I have actually sold my car now so I have some money (providing they turn up on Sunday)
I think I have pretty much decided on a Terrano 3 litre. Still can't get my head round the cream leather seats and cream trim. That is a bit not me really, how do you guys manage to keep it clean or don't you bother?
I would think the first time I get in with oily trousers it will be ruined.

Go for the lower spec SE which has fabric seats:thumb2 mines I've got an SE & have the black seats with the silver flecks, infact I didn't want the leather ones due to having a dog (claws are nasty to leather) plus when it holes on the outer edge (they all do in time) I'll be able to just stitch it up:clap
I did think about getting a shogun sport as I love the styling of them BUT the MPG is dreadful (low 20's) they are slow & suffer quite a few engine probs like the crank pulley dropping off & cam shafts snapping & killing the head

 

[AD Ent]

Yeah the cream "leather" is rubbish really. Although it doesn't get as hot as black in the summer. So that's one good thing.

 

[Big Col]

Yeah the cream "leather" is rubbish really. Although it doesn't get as hot as black in the summer. So that's one good thing.

I take it you have these seats then? Because I have, and they are a dam site easier to clean than cloth.
I'm on my third Terrano now and the talk of the fuel consumption makes me laugh. The 3.0 is not that much better on fuel over the 2.7, very low twenties when towing and not that much better solo. But if your looking for fuel economy you wouldn't buy either of these trucks. Colin

 

[firebobby]

I have owned a cream leather 2.7 and now a black leather 3.0, as stated above, leather is easier to keep clean than cloth (2 kids prove this) as for pets, our friend has leather in her Range Rover and she throws a rug on the back seat when the dogs go in.

 

[AD Ent]

Never cleaned em' yet :nenau