Loss of Drive - All Gears - Terrano 2

[Banshee]

Top bell housing bolts? nope you cannot drop the rear of the box to get at em they have to be done from the top, may help if the rear of the box will go up a tad as you gain a little room tween bulkhead and head, but they are not too bad to do, re how far back, well about 4 inches should do it, once you have pulled it about 2 inches you can lower it a bit if it allows it to go back a bit further, worst part is changing the thrust bearing, do it before you put the mew clutch on and triple check you have it located correctly, and then check it again, torch mirrors you name it, as it is possible to get it wrong, even with engine out and good access, OH and I will be 69 next month,Rick

That's a point the one I did had a 2" body lift and I didn't really struggle with access

 

[TONUP]

Thanks, Rick & Banshee,

I will bolt a similar size piece of timber on the top of the existing just to be safe.

Oh no thrust bearing... that sounds like something else to worry about I have borrowed the flexible camera in the image below, wich might help.



Regards

Alan

 

[zippy656]

Thanks, Rick & Banshee,

I will bolt a similar size piece of timber on the top of the existing just to be safe.

Oh no thrust bearing... that sounds like something else to worry about I have borrowed the flexible camera in the image below, wich might help.



Regards

Alan

Sweet, I've got one of them!! Great fun

 

[TONUP]

Gearbox is loose!!!

Yesterday (Day 5) I spent a couple of hours beefing up the timber stabiliser on the trolley jack, and lifted the front up a couple of inches.

This evening (Day 6) I set about removing the bell housing bolts, the top two may have been the two most difficult ones to reach on the whole project so far. For future reference it's a 14mm spanner/socket required. I got to the bolt on the passenger side by modifying a spanner with a piece of copper tube, and the drivers side one by using as many extensions as I could and going through the opening in the cabin (images below)...

Extension Bars and Spanner



Trying to reach that bolt!!!



The other bolts were relatively easy, except for the one that caught me out, which goes in from the engine side. Once that one was loosened I was able to wrestle the gearbox away, which needed the use of two trolley jacks, and some help from the O/H... The main difficulty was twisting the box sufficiently so that bulge for the starter motor clears the bulkhead.

In the end though it came apart and that was enough for the evening (3 hours). Couple of images below...

Modified trolley jack worked a treat...



A quick look at the innards...



Tomorrow I am going to remove the clutch and check it for defects. Hopefully I'll find one!

Do you think I should change the CPS and the seal behind the flywheel?

Regards

Alan

 

[jims-terrano]

Just given this a 5 star rating, brilliant:thumbs

 

[TONUP]

Just given this a 5 star rating, brilliant:thumbs

Thanks Jim, very kind of you to say so. Very steep learning curve on this job and lots of problem solving.

My head hurts as much as my arms and back now

Hopefully I will be be able to start reassembly very soon... Fingers crossed!

Regards

Alan

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

I agree....

I think you should be totting up the cost as you go..e.g., how much was the gearbox attachment for the trolley jack, and the parts etc as you replace them.

 

[solarman216]

Well done indeed, be interesting to see what you find with the clutch, and the mods to the jack were well worth the effort, think you can now see how heavy it is, Rick

 

[solarman216]

Tomorrow I am going to remove the clutch and check it for defects. Hopefully I'll find one!

Do you think I should change the CPS and the seal behind the flywheel?

Regards

Alan

CPS if it works it is fine, rear seal, well I have yet to see one leaking, so if there are no signs of oil behind the flywheel, leave well alone, just my advice not mandatory, Rick

 

[TONUP]

I agree....

I think you should be totting up the cost as you go..e.g., how much was the gearbox attachment for the trolley jack, and the parts etc as you replace them.

So far I have spent £30.00 on the adapter for the jack, I anticipate a cost of around £150.00 for the clutch.

That's as long as I don't break anything in the meantime though. Luckily over the years I have acquired a varied range of tools, which if you had to buy for the one job, might be uneconomic to do. That's said they only range from Aldi/Lidl quality to Halfords/Machine Mart range, so no really expensive kit.

I think tools are always a good investment though?

Regards

Alan

 

[TONUP]

CPS if it works it is fine, rear seal, well I have yet to see one leaking, so if there are no signs of oil behind the flywheel, leave well alone, just my advice not mandatory, Rick

Maybe not mandatory Rick, but always gratefully recieved and heeded.

Your not joking about the gearbox, and I can fully appreciate the engine out approach now, especially if you have the kit/resources to do it. It is very cumbersome to get out. Getting it back in is, I anticipate, going to be harder as a bit more finesse will be needed lining everything up.

Too late to to worry now, I up to my elbows in it now....

Regards

Alan

 

[TONUP]

Three Parts?

After spending 10 minutes cleaning up the tools I abandoned on the garage floor last night, this morning I have got the clutch off and found it to be in three separate parts, which clears up the root of the transmission problem.



Next job is to try to get the thrust bearing off, then off to make some calls for the best deal on a clutch.

Regards

Alan

 

[makeitfit]

After spending 10 minutes cleaning up the tools I abandoned on the garage floor last night, this morning I have got the clutch off and found it to be in three separate parts, which clears up the root of the transmission problem.



Next job is to try to get the thrust bearing off, then off to make some calls for the best deal on a clutch.

Regards

Alan

Ha well no wonder no drive :lol Good to know you've got the problem solved :thumbs

 

[Fez_uk]

Bit of pva glue and paper mache on that, it will be good as new if not better :lol

Good work!

 

[Lazy-Ferret]

Bit of pva glue and paper mache on that, it will be good as new if not better :lol

Good work!

I was going to suggest Araldite Epoxy and a couple of pop rivets for quickness, but you may be right, do the job properly... :lol

 

[Fez_uk]

I was going to suggest Araldite Epoxy and a couple of pop rivets for quickness, but you may be right, do the job properly... :lol

"Spend as little as possible" - Some tight cardi

 

[jims-terrano]

Exactly what happened to two of my clutches on the wifes terrano, think that seems to be how they go on Terranos.

 

[solarman216]

Exactly what happened to two of my clutches on the wifes terrano, think that seems to be how they go on Terranos.

When those two went, was it a little difficult to get into gear stationary when they were new? Rick

 

[solarman216]

Tonup, as a matter of interest can you measure the thickness of the friction plate, Rick

 

[jims-terrano]

When those two went, was it a little difficult to get into gear stationary when they were new? Rick

First time was when we first bought it, all seemed fine and then wife went to the supermarket and coming home with shopping and kids it went with bang apparently. AA towed it into the dealers so no idea how it felt.
Second time I was driving and all seemed well then suddenly tried to set off out of a junction and there was a loud sort of grinding noise and then no drive.