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AlexD333

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Without going into crazy detail I have been searching high and low for a revolving 357 carbine (rifle)

Someone suggested the make Rossi but I have been unable to find any dealers in the uk.

If anyone can link me one for sale I'll be impressed :sly
 
Sourcing a gun - legally !!

You might find the best source is through your gun club or specialist magazine. When I stopped renewing my firearms certificate about 25 years ago my Sect 1 airgun and Spanish Karabina 0.22 bullet rifle had no resale value due to the dwindling market so I surrendered them to the Police.

My local Gun Dealer now closed did not want to accept the weapons f.o.c. as the re-sale market was so small.

I would have a ring round Gun Dealers within a 50 mile radius as one may have such an item in their used stock it might help if you had a second choice of weapon as you may have others offered to you by a dealer. Alternative place a wanted add in specialist magazine - might be worth a shot ! (No pun intended)
 
Have you got your firearms ticket Alex?

3 shoots off applying, trying to get the ball rolling and figure out costs ect so I can begin to save up....

Gun safe seens to be best part of £200+

I want a shogun
22 rifle
and 357 revolving carbine :naughty (if I ever find one)

I did ask the chaps at the club, they suggested a make called "Rossi" but only .44 was available, now discontinued.... :(

Plenty of cheaper under rifles but I want the revolver mechanism :D

Actually regarding the 3 shoots, they are 3 full bore shoots at Bisley!
 
3 shoots off applying, trying to get the ball rolling and figure out costs ect so I can begin to save up....

Gun safe seens to be best part of £200+

I want a shogun
22 rifle
and 357 revolving carbine :naughty (if I ever find one)

I did ask the chaps at the club, they suggested a make called "Rossi" but only .44 was available, now discontinued.... :(

Plenty of cheaper under rifles but I want the revolver mechanism :D

Actually regarding the 3 shoots, they are 3 full bore shoots at Bisley!

Wow Alex, are those neighbours still pi55ing you off :augie:lol
 
Wow Alex, are those neighbours still pi55ing you off :augie:lol

I don't find neighbours much of a problem.

But I do have three shotguns including a semi-auto, a .22 semi-auto rifle (custom made with match barrel and balanced trigger), and .17HMR Ruger.

Granted we only have one neighbour, but there ain't a magpie for a quarter mile in any direction!

:thumbs
 
Try Henry Kranks at Leeds on the web they have long barrelled pistols with attachable stocks and will send them to a nearer RFD good luck with the .357 just remember that you may have to reload the .357 ammo.... I've a few FAC rilfes from .22lr to ....well lets say I don't need to be in the same postcode....:augie
 
Why on earth would you want something so obscure? I take this is for range use only as you'll have a job getting any FLO to pass that for anything else. And even for range use it'll be a pig in a poke. Revolvers are inherently inaccurate as they have such a massive jump to the rifling so you'll soon get pretty sick of seeing 5" groups when your mates are sub-MOA with more common off-the-shelf calibres. There's a reason this is a rare rifle, and I'd hazard that reason is because it's crap, lol! And you'll be limiting your ranges severely as chamber pressures will be so low, and the barrel's so short. Getting ammunition will be a pig too, as it's primarily a pistol calibre in the UK and you'll be very lucky to find anyone who'll order it for you. You'll have the devils own job mounting a 'scope to it, too.

Not telling you your business, but if you really want the most out of target shooting you'll be far, far better off with the likes of .308. PLENTY of match-grade ammo, PLENTY of reloading information, you can buy FMJ bullets mail-order for peanuts, and your FLO will accept it at the drop of a hat. And it's a superb stalking calibre if you ever decide you want to shoot live quarry.

You're going to have to justify your choices to your FLO, and he'll expect you to have rock-solid reasons for wanting it. If your .22 is for target use too, I'd be more inclined to go for either the .22 Magnum, or the .22 Hornet. Both will give you a flatter trajectory, and as the Hornet is a CF you have the option of saving your brass and reloading for it :thumbs

Tell me to shove my advice up my 'arris if you like, but I really think you'll regret the carbine choice. And then you'll be a stuck with an obscure rifle, that you can't sell
 
3 shoots off applying, trying to get the ball rolling and figure out costs ect so I can begin to save up....

If it's a target set-up you're thinking of, as I said before the likes of .308. .300WSM, 7mmWSM will be ideal for you (read up on them! You WILL need to know). As for cost? Used rifles can be had for as little as a couple of hundred quid, but these are likely to have had a fair few rounds though them. For stalking purposes you don't need long-range accuracy, but if a rifle you pick up second-hand has suffered throat erosion through heavy use it'll never group at longer ranges, so look for something in the £6-700 range like the Remington 700 or similar. Great rifle, and has aftermarket triggers galore (which you WILL end up changing) The .308 is good out to a thousand yards and better, and can be re-barrelled fairly reasonably once it's shot out. If you're regularly target shooting you'll easily get a couple of thousand rounds through it in a few years. You'll need a moderator too (which will completely bugger up that revolver crap, so you'll be hounded off the range from the start anyway if they insist on their use)

The 'scope is just as important as the rifle, and good glass doesn't come cheap! DON'T buy a cheap 'scope with high specification, rather buy a decent scope (S&B, Swarovski, Nightforce, Zeiss, Leupold, etc) and stick with fixed-mag'. Something like an 8x56 will do fine, with a fine Truplex reticule. Anything else and you'll obscure the target at ranges.

Whatever you do, learn to shoot properly as well. I've seen so many blokes wedge their rifles into those idiotic cradles and then boast about how good their groups are. you might as well poke a pencil through the paper for all the skill that takes ;)

For stalking, £500 will see you right for the rifle set-up. For target-shooting, you may as well triple that figure. And that's just for one rig.

Gunsafes can be had for under £100, your FAC will be around £60. Make certain you apply for everything you think you want at the time, as a variation is £26 a pop. Expect to have tight conditions put on your FAC for the use of the rifles, too. For some reason, the English police forces seem to have a hair up their ass about imposing conditions on FAC holders. Join the NRA too. That'll be another few quid a year, but it's worth it as you have access to specialist legal representation if you need it, and 3rd Party liability insurance too . . . . .

OR. You can just join the NRA Shooting Club and hire a rifle :cool:
 
As for price, I picked up a Browning Eurobolt including (cheap) scope, 7mm Remington Magnum, including 2 boxes of Remington hunting ammo, for <500 EUR.

This year upgraded the scope, 1000 EUR :)

Note of advice: do get a safe before you get your guns. And make sure the safe is big enough: height (longer barrels), depth (not all safes can hold guns with scope attached), width (for comfortable use, you can divide the number of places in the safe by 2).
 
hi alex be careful you don't shoot your self in the foot :lol it's me::hide::augie:thumbs
 
As for price, I picked up a Browning Eurobolt including (cheap) scope, 7mm Remington Magnum, including 2 boxes of Remington hunting ammo, for <500 EUR.

This year upgraded the scope, 1000 EUR :)

Note of advice: do get a safe before you get your guns. And make sure the safe is big enough: height (longer barrels), depth (not all safes can hold guns with scope attached), width (for comfortable use, you can divide the number of places in the safe by 2).

Ok sorry for the late replies to everyone. Thanks so much for all the advise and information.

Regarding my choice of revolving carbine I thought it would be a good idea due to its mechanical process, and possibly being easy to look after, if you are seriously suggesting it's inaccurate I will look at a normal rifle. 357 and 38 special is no hardship, loads of ammo at our club, the club is pretty laid back, bigger the better it seems :naughty lots of reloading and trips to Bisley and ash too for the full bore :sly

The reason I quoted this comment to reply to is because I attended the club yesterday, one of the senior members had just pinned up an ad on the wall, been up for about 15 seconds :augie

6 gun safe for sale... £100 :naughty

I'll have it!!! Job done, barely fit in the Terrano :lol what a steal!
 
That's a good price!

Seriously though, go for a bolt action rifle in one of the .30, or 7mm calibres. You'll be able to shoot at anything from 100 to 1000 yards and your holdovers and windage adjustments will be easy to calculate as their ballistics are seriously well-documented. Another massive disadvantage of the revolver is that it'll exhaust gas from between the cylinder and the barrel as it fires (ask your range buddies how much they hate shooting beside anyone with a muzzle brake and they'll set you straight on what happens ;-) ) It'll need a LOT of maintenance too. Bolt-actions are tried and tested, common as you like, easy to clean and maintain, are much safer and will give you far better results all round :thumb2

.357 and .38 are pistol calibres. Heavy bullets at relatively slow speeds so they're inherently unsuitable for rifles. For any decent range, you'll be needing to throw a 130 or 150 grain bullet at velocities in excess of 2500 fps (I load my .270 with 130gr at 2600fps, but that's a hunting load. Standard factory for the 130 factory load is 3065fps)

Lots to think about ;)
 
This is what 1000 yards looks like. Target was set up in the treeline (with a backstop)
 

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.270 with Zeiss Diatal scope. Holdover was around 14 feet with a right-to-left crosswind! :lol :lol

4 shots taken, 4 shots on target. I'm not showing this just to boast, but this was done with a standard hunting outfit zeroed at 200 yards (6x42 'scope with No4 reticule) The group's very wide as a result. If you had a thousand pound scope on the rifle, and had the zero set adequately for the range you're shooting at, these will tighten up. And shooting like this takes practice and experience. A LOT of practice ;)
 

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If I'd have to buy another rifle it would be a .308.
Note: main use in my case is deer and fox shooting, with the occasional wild boar (that is why a less powerful cartridge like .243 will not do). Now shooting a 7mm RM, with the current ammunition very accurate without need for compensation out to 250m.

Now looking into a PCP air rifle, for pigeon and crow control around farms, as shooting firearms very close to >150 cows in a stable is not a good idea :)
 

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