As it happens not too bad, one of the lads had a 10ft span alloy tower and him being much younger than me elected to set it out on the floor and measure the fixing holes for each letter then transposed those onto the fascia and it all worked well, with a couple of helpers to hold the other letters as each one was fixed, then lecy guy hooked them up, I was more impressed with the 3 phase coffee machine conversion to single phase, turned out that the heater was 440 volt (two phase) so I wired it up live through the solid state relay and neutral thinking it will take forever to heat up on 230v but no it works really well, designed to produce 500 plus cups per day but we do not need anything like that so well within the needs of this job, yes I am still awake and on the scotch winding down, Mrs motor up for MOT soon so Sunday have to look it over, I know it has an ABS fault as pulled the fuse ages ago, Rick