Coincidence versus legal responsibility

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

DVT Mk4 weight 43.7 tonnes

A Driving Van Trailer (DVT) is a purpose-built railway vehicle that allows the driver to operate a locomotive at the opposite end of a train. Trains operating with a DVT therefore do not require the locomotive to be moved around to the other end of the train at terminal stations. Unlike many other control cars, DVTs resemble locomotives (specifically Class 91) and thus when the train is operating in "push" mode it does not appear to be travelling backwards. The vehicles have no passenger accommodation due to rules in place at the time of building that prohibited passengers in the leading vehicles of trains that travel at more than 100 miles per hour (160 km/h).

Courtesy of Wikipedia


Fill this void with traction equipment producing 6700hp (Class 91) and the weight rises to 81.5 tonnes!

 

[Deleted account DD]

Far too secret squirrel for a friday evening + bottle of red :doh

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

ok to the landrover add an ifor williams trailer and a renault savanah

 

[Deleted account DD]

Courtesy of Wikipedia

Did you know universities etc discount wikipedia as a credible reference and quotation source

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Did you know universities etc discount wikipedia as a credible reference and quotation source

by how much as a %age though, this discount ?

 

[solarman216]

OK I have to admit that 2 bottles of good claret down the line I am totally lost, good luck to this thread, Rick

 

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Great Heck Crash,

landy drifts off M62, Gary Hart prosecuted for sleep at wheel, ends up on railway.

the lighter of the 2 ends of express train hit landy derail, stay up right then are
deflected by a turnout, (point) into path of 1700 tonne coal train.

10 die, 10th anniverary just.

so he is a numpty, nothing to stop him getting on railway barring a fence.

possibly 82 tonne of loco pushing the train wouldnt have skipped off track.
definitely doubt the 126 tonne loco hauling the coal train would have derailed.

hence how responsible can you be for a chain of events.


he was guilt of something, dangerous driving. so if coal train which did derail
due to passenger train debris had gone into the cottage of the garden it did end up
in and kill more, then for good measure got the president with the nuke remote
and that had been fired... ok getting silly but how far one person be scapgoated?

btw was a cow in 80s under and earlier driving carriage that kills about 15 as i
recall, but with the shoving loco leading at 117 tonne, well it'd be strike up
the bbq i reckon.

 

[solarman216]

OK I do not have the knowledge, re railway locos, but one guy falling asleep at the wheel can certainly have the results that we see, but does that make him directly responsible? well yes if you look at from one direction, but no from another, we have to accept in this word we live in today that Newtons law of every action has a reaction is not always in tune with his law, one guy goes to sleep at the wheel and crashes killing his passenger, is he any more or less guilty than the guy who as a result happens to go down an embankment and take out a train, how close to falling asleep have you been? I am an ex professional driver with well over a million miles on my clock and have to say I have always recognized the warning signs, and pulled over to recover, and now at 63 I limit my journey time to 4 hours, were before I, like my mates would have done 12 or more with 32 ton up any where in Europe, Rick

 

[Adz]

Way to involved for a Friday night / Saturday morning :doh :augie :lol

I much preffered my answer :augie :lol :lol :lol

 

[felixthelogchopper]

Did you know universities etc discount wikipedia as a credible reference and quotation source

We had to edit a section on Sealand in the first year of LLB

 

[4wheel]

Hmm !

If there is a lock and the burglar breaks it to gain entry he is guilty of breaking and entering. The quality or size of the lock does not come into question. If there is a fence around a property and someone climbs over it to gain access then that is trespass.So,to my simple mind,if there is a security system and someone deliberately makes an effort to gain access then that is a form of burglary or trespass. Particularly if wilful damage has been caused.Ok,so may be over simplified but the basics are sound. However, saying that, if you leave your keys in the ignition and your car is nicked that is negligence - but if the car is locked then that is theft !
:nenau

 

[Kamsin]

In Law a chain of events will be traced back to the first cause, if the first cause was him falling asleep IE, if he had not nothing would of happended then he will be at fault.
If the chain of events would of still happended had he not fallen asleep then he would of been found not guilty. Its not the job of the railways to stop your car getting on to the track, its yours to keep it on the road.

I heard a case of a drunk driver that apart from being over the limmit had done nothing wrong, he was on the right side of the road doing under the speed limmit, fully taxed, insured and MOT Ect. He was hit by another car that was speeding. The drunk driver was the one that was charged as the judge said and i quote "If you had not been driving your car due to drinking the accident would not have been able to happen"
Now before you all say, well he should not of been driving, he was only just over the limmit. Some thing that could catch any of us out if we have a quick beer before going home.

Now there was a point i was trying to make, but i forgot what it is now :doh