box or remap?

[shaggy]

whats the pro's and cons for both please?
im thinking of taking my 2.0dci to pendle performance has anyone here taken theirs there?
£275 seems really good value

i just dont see how a box can do any good when the same box's tend to fit loads of different cars
wheras the remap is a more specific option & seems right because its a bespoke sort of mod

does that make sence?
any info in plain english appreciated

my vehicle has just hit 5k miles so no rush as its not run in yet

 

[Jocky]

I don't know much about remaps, never had one done as I've had a T2 now a Patrol.

Do not discount boxes if they just plug straight in. I've just sold one to mont for a T2, ask him if they work.
If you need to take car to dealer you can just unplug. With a remap they will know straight away you've had it remapped when they plug it in to check for fault codes etc.

:smile:

 

[mont]

HI , jst fitted PSI power box yesterday.Puschased it off gego, cannot get the smile off my face. It really is just a plug in an play job, literaly seconds to fit. I would recomend them as it as transformd my t2.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i must admit i would rather go for the box too, a remap is a bit drastic and would stuff your warranty, and how much does a new ECU cost? or if they overdo it and you blow the head asket or simmila,, they willl say noting to do with us we only remaped the ecu!

there aes ome dodgey doods out their doing remapping, and at the end of the day they all go for instant improvements not long term reliability, as the others have said with a box you can unplug it and pretend it was never there should things go wrong.

 

[theduck]

psi powerbox fitted and when you tow a caravan WOW let the others eat your dust :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

 

[shaggy]

im not understanding the concept of having a box rattling about under the bonet 8O
a remap is invisible even to nissan apparently?
im just not sure a box that works with 10 other vehicles can work 100% for my vehicle?
at least a remap is taylored to my car
does this make sence?
im just not getting how a box is better than remap -blond-

 

[theduck]

no no no shaggy it's better than that send me a pm with your e-mail address and i will send you a photo of mine.

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

im not understanding the concept of having a box rattling about under the bonet 8O
a remap is invisible even to nissan apparently?
im just not sure a box that works with 10 other vehicles can work 100% for my vehicle?
at least a remap is taylored to my car
does this make sence?
im just not getting how a box is better than remap -blond-

sepsite what the remappers will tell you a reamp is suitable for 10 different vehicles too! yo just buy the software and plug it in, round here we have back street secnd hand tyre dealers ofering remaping, you can buy most of the kit from ebay!

and i am confident if nissan plug it into their computer they will be able to tell!

take a look at diesel bobs web site and his range of boxes and comment regarding them and see what you think!

 

[Jocky]

im not understanding the concept of having a box rattling about under the bonet 8O
a remap is invisible even to nissan apparently?
im just not sure a box that works with 10 other vehicles can work 100% for my vehicle?
at least a remap is taylored to my car
does this make sence?
im just not getting how a box is better than remap -blond-

hi shaggy I'm not getting how you ask about pro's and con's and you don't want to listen to what people are telling you :roll: the box doesn't rattle about, the one in my T2 was tie wrapped to a rubber mounted relaybox, so no vibration. If you want to get a remap, get a remap, the choice is yours.

:smile:

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

I think the draw of remapping is it is a lot cheaper than a box! but you can always remove and re use or sell a box, and they have been tried and tested by members.

If you don’t like your remap, your stuffed really! Ok they claim they can put it back as it was, but if you have 'issues' with them how will you ever really know?

as it is a software replacement, I would assume it is pretty obvious if it has been messed with when you plug it in to a computer, I have other peoples ecu configurations for LPG set-ups on this laptop and they are all timed and dated!

 

[Terranosaurus]

Both are doing the same thing in different ways, the obox is fooling the std ECU into altering the fuelling and the rmap is just directly altering the fueling, each of them are only a set of approximate values for your vehicle much as the standard ones were too only they tend to be on the conservative side and as fuel efficient as possible.

The best but most expensive option is a complete custom remap on a rolling road, but this can only be done by people who really know what they ae doing and even then takes quite some time and thus is rather expensive.

 

[shaggy]

hi shaggy I'm not getting how you ask about pro's and con's and you don't want to listen to what people are telling you :roll: the box doesn't rattle about, the one in my T2 was tie wrapped to a rubber mounted relaybox, so no vibration. If you want to get a remap, get a remap, the choice is yours.

:smile:

who said i dont want to listen to advice?
i wanted to know the pro's and con's of both
i have asked what i believe to be valid questions if you have a problem then dont answer them!
im asking questions because i want to know all i can about this topic and not so i can be berated by you!

hummingbird & plank
thanks for the informative answers that realy have answered what i wanted to know
the next problem is the boxes are priced at between £99 and £599 and the claims are from 15bhp to 60bhp but am i right in presuming its the torque that matters more than bhp?
and are the expensive boxes nescesarily(sp?) the best ones?

the psi box is £455
the other box i have been looking at is £149 and found here http://tuning-diesels.com/index2n.htm
and about another half a dozen in between

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

i would go for one you have some experience of e.g one another member has tried!

 

[Terranosaurus]

the claims are from 15bhp to 60bhp but am i right in presuming its the torque that matters more than bhp?

Power and torque are diretly related you can't have an increas in one without increasing the other.

Power= revs x torque

bhp = (lbft x rpm) / 5252

What matters in repect of torque is how low down the rev range it makes its maximum value and how flat the torque curve is and for how long - peak figures are great for bragging in the bar but mean nothing in the real world.


As plank says buy one on a personal recommendation, price will means nothing, the real cost of these devices is the R&D but just cos its expensive doesn't mean they did a good job, they could just be greedy.

 

[shaggy]

spoke to diesel bob earlier today
his box for mine wont be ready for a couple of months
he says stay clear of the £100 box's as they cant be made for that price and he thinks they are for the older models
he says my engine has new exhaust sensors and they need to figure a way round them
so will now look around for a while
cheers

 

[Jocky]

who said i dont want to listen to advice?
i wanted to know the pro's and con's of both
i have asked what i believe to be valid questions if you have a problem then dont answer them!
im asking questions because i want to know all i can about this topic and not so i can be berated by you!

No body is trying to berate you. You asked the questions and got honest advice, may be the answers were not what you wanted to hear, be honest, you've favoured a remap from the start of this thread.

What ever you get, hope your happy with the out come :smile:

 

[shaggy]

No body is trying to berate you. You asked the questions and got honest advice, may be the answers were not what you wanted to hear, be honest, you've favoured a remap from the start of this thread.

What ever you get, hope your happy with the out come :smile:

it is true yes i have favoured a remap, so what?

i have had 4 range rovers (various types) remapped with no ill effects
the only box i had seen before this was on a transit and he had nothing but trouble with engine light and rough idle.
the more i have read the more confusing it becomes as EVERYBODY who makes/sells them all say they are the best
there is a fair bit of smiths & jones's with the remaps and box's with most people saying the one they have is the best.
i was hoping a few people had remaps done and could comment

 

[(RIP) PLANK]

my personal view is i would leave well alone on such a valuable new car and wait for diesel bob to come up with something, as you say everyone claims theres are the best, the only person saying otherwise is diesel bob and he does have a good reputaion!

 

[Jocky]

it is true yes i have favoured a remap, so what?

so what, what :lol:

 

[shaggy]

so what, what :lol:

who why when even 8) :lol: :wink: